As the original author of the current generation of the Pebble Appstore back in Pebble early days, I made a very intentional decision to move almost all logic client side to make it easy for people to archive and self host with their own API server or json snapshots of the existing API. I did this specifically so in the event Pebble infra ever went down the community could easily do their own thing, and local copies embedded in apps would keep working from cache offline, though I never disclosed this as a big reason at the time.
It is awesome to see that decision paid off, and the codebase has long outlived the original company and still giving our original customers (and soon new ones!) value.
In case anyone asks, I would like to state for the record that all the appstore code before Rebble modifications was and has always been AGPL.
> One other great thing that Rebble did was in 2017 - they archived and started hosting a copy of the Pebble Appstore, before the servers were shut down. New apps uploaded by developers since 2017 have also been popping up!
Aah, is this how all previous apps were saved and are now available again? That's pretty neat if so!
Old Pebble watches are still very useful due to the Rebble community. I am still rocking my OG Pebble to this day because of them, so they get all the kudos, here.
In fact, because my old one still works for my needs, it's making it difficult for me to invest in a new Pebble, despite wanting to support the project. Part of that is the idea of upgrading for the sake of upgrading directly opposes my ethos of keeping as many electronic devices out of landfills as possible, but part of that is also straight up nostalgia that I get to experience every day when I use what essentially amounted to the perfect watch for me.
> No smartwatch on the market since the original Pebble watches offers this combination of features…until today!
Is that a lie? What about Garmin Watches?
Sure Google/Samsung/Apple Watches are not "Long battery life", because they are not "Always on e-paper screen", but I feel like Garmin Watches are.
Obviously some Garmin Watches are pretty expensive, like Fenix (I have not used it since I switched to Apple Watch), but there are ~200USD watches as well https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/741137/ with 2 weeks battery life, custom apps, screens, and even GPS.
My Garmin (Forerunner 255 Music) feels like it's designed by a committee that uses their own product only while working jira tickets, and has never used it in anger.
On paper, it should feel like my old Pebble did. In reality it's clumsy and poorly thought-out. I look for ways to use it less, not more. I can't wait to replace it when the Pebble ships.
I guess I don't use my Garmin Instinct Crossover to its full extent, but I have found it pretty ok for the stuff I did do with it, and I like that it looks like a regular watch instead of a smartwatch.
Most Garmins don't get even one week of battery life with AOD. Sure, there's the solar charging ones that do, but those are enormous watches and they cost 4x what the Pebble costs.
Transflective memory cell lcd's are amazing technology for the price they cost and the power they use. You trade some viberance for that but I'd call that acceptable tradeoff for always on.
The "epaper" branding is Sharp's idea. And "epaper" has been used for all kinds of things which are not the technology eInk has developed and popularized.
Pebble does not have GPS at all. You don't have to use GPS on the watch, if you don't need to. You have an option to choose to use it, if you want to. Garmin watches ~2 weeks just as a smart watch, 8-50 hours with GPS on. But you will not have it on, unless you need it for a specific workout.
Lack of GPS essentially killed the resurrected Pebble for me.
If I am buying a smart/tracking watch today, I want these things from it:
- Great battery life
- HRM (with decent accuracy; doesn't have to pass those "accuracy tests" though)
- GPS (with extremely good accuracy and yes, it has to pass those accuracy tests for GPS. And no, if I turn it ON and use it and the battery dies quickly, I won't hold it against you - that's supposed to happen)
- Do not track me - do not send any data to anywhere unless I specifically want it
- Do not need a phone to be connected to function - let me export data later if I choose to (hell, if this is the only way - I don't mind - BT not being used always isn't so bad - saves a bit of battery; if you need me to do this via a USB type C cable later, I don't mind that either)
That's all!
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If you don't have these features, I don't really mind:
- Show me the incoming call on the screen. - Give me a way to reject or silence it. If I want to answer that call, then I'll reach out to my phone anyway.
- Maybe show the time and day if I tap it or I am fine if it's always shown
- Preferably don't show me notifications from apps in general and if you do - give a very granular way to disable specific apps (this might already be possible)
- Please sell a non-touchscreen option (but I can live with one)
- Do not try to be the smartphone or replicate it somehow and end up becoming a Frankenstein in both size and spirit
- Maybe keep it lightweight?
PS. And, for the love of god, do not ever try to hardcode special chargers/cables like Philips does for their trimmers. Bas----ds sell different cables and different chargers for two trimmer models released in the same year very close to each other and in close price ranges fulfilling similar functions.
> Lack of GPS essentially killed the resurrected Pebble for me.
> GPS
> Do not need a phone to be connected to function
I don't really think you're in the target demographic for a pebble at all. It sounds like you want a standalone device that's essentially a smartphone on your wrist. I know you say you don't want it to be a smartphone, but if you want battery-life, a GPS, and phone independence, that's the product you're going to get.
Pebble is (and was) more of a smartphone companion, it has basically no smart functionality on its own.
I have been using Apple Watch since series 0. I believe I switched from Garmin fenix 3. I feel like at that time Fenix had a lot of issues, I remember there were some about the maps, maybe they did not even had them at that time. And I was really into hiking. So thought that Apple Watch could be a better watch. Workouts were nice, listening music from the watch was a good addition.
I have not tried new fenix watches. And I would assume they are the same good as Apple Watches as well. But I do like my Apple Watch Ultra (2 or 3, whatever was released this year)
I was able to develop apps for Garmin Fenix 3, which was released in 2015 https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/160512/#specs it already supported building apps for the watch. They also had a funny name for the language they built, something like "Gorilla language" or something similar.
Love philosophy and the story bringing it back. I really liked the originals, but today I don’t find the design appealing - I’m sure some of you do ofc.
I'm not sure if the best example, but what I can think of atm — Looking at what Teenage Engineering is doing (copy Dieter Rams), I find their products fun and they feel premium. I think a design refresh for pebble could make a big difference.
Probably hard to think about re-design at this stage, and I do hope it keeps gaining momentum and support to grow.
Not perhaps exactly what you're looking for, but Nothing's smartwatches might scratch that itch. They've got honestly gigantic bezels, but they do a very commendable job on making it seem done purposefully done.
I would in general agree with you. Although I do feel TE have some design flaws regarding structural quality that Braun didn't have and watches would struggle with having.
> Probably hard to think about re-design at this stage
They did redesign the Pebble Time 2, so that may be more to your liking. Sadly as one who still loves the original design, it lost its appeal to me, but perhaps my loss could be your gain on this one.
I agree, design sensibilities have changed. Like you I would love something a bit more utilitarian and clean. It would be a nice contrast to everything else out there.
I haven't used my pebble for years, but as I don't have a smartwatch, I might bring it back. Do the iOs integrations (calls, messages, etc.) still work as they did? I remember that runkeeper would display data to the watch while running.
Good time to bring it back. You used to have to sideload the iOS app for years and the new app makes using an old Pebble with an iPhone so much easier. :) I've been using the app for a few weeks and it generally works well but not everything is already functional. No voice replies, no health tracking, no canned messages, yet, for example.
As the original author of the current generation of the Pebble Appstore back in Pebble early days, I made a very intentional decision to move almost all logic client side to make it easy for people to archive and self host with their own API server or json snapshots of the existing API. I did this specifically so in the event Pebble infra ever went down the community could easily do their own thing, and local copies embedded in apps would keep working from cache offline, though I never disclosed this as a big reason at the time.
It is awesome to see that decision paid off, and the codebase has long outlived the original company and still giving our original customers (and soon new ones!) value.
In case anyone asks, I would like to state for the record that all the appstore code before Rebble modifications was and has always been AGPL.
> One other great thing that Rebble did was in 2017 - they archived and started hosting a copy of the Pebble Appstore, before the servers were shut down. New apps uploaded by developers since 2017 have also been popping up!
Aah, is this how all previous apps were saved and are now available again? That's pretty neat if so!
Old Pebble watches are still very useful due to the Rebble community. I am still rocking my OG Pebble to this day because of them, so they get all the kudos, here.
In fact, because my old one still works for my needs, it's making it difficult for me to invest in a new Pebble, despite wanting to support the project. Part of that is the idea of upgrading for the sake of upgrading directly opposes my ethos of keeping as many electronic devices out of landfills as possible, but part of that is also straight up nostalgia that I get to experience every day when I use what essentially amounted to the perfect watch for me.
I was in the same camp. I ordered one anyway as I figured my pebble's battery couldn't last much longer... Could it?
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Why not buy a new Pebble and gift it to a watchless friend?
Yes (and they've been available more or less all along from Rebble - they rebuilt and hosted big parts of the backend I believe).
> No smartwatch on the market since the original Pebble watches offers this combination of features…until today!
Is that a lie? What about Garmin Watches?
Sure Google/Samsung/Apple Watches are not "Long battery life", because they are not "Always on e-paper screen", but I feel like Garmin Watches are.
Obviously some Garmin Watches are pretty expensive, like Fenix (I have not used it since I switched to Apple Watch), but there are ~200USD watches as well https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/741137/ with 2 weeks battery life, custom apps, screens, and even GPS.
My Garmin (Forerunner 255 Music) feels like it's designed by a committee that uses their own product only while working jira tickets, and has never used it in anger.
On paper, it should feel like my old Pebble did. In reality it's clumsy and poorly thought-out. I look for ways to use it less, not more. I can't wait to replace it when the Pebble ships.
I've been using various Garmin watches for ages and I agree. The hardware is great, but the software is honestly very lackluster.
It's laggy, clumsy, difficult to make apps for, and just not very smart. Especially for someone like me who doesn't even use it for sports.
I guess I don't use my Garmin Instinct Crossover to its full extent, but I have found it pretty ok for the stuff I did do with it, and I like that it looks like a regular watch instead of a smartwatch.
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Most Garmins don't get even one week of battery life with AOD. Sure, there's the solar charging ones that do, but those are enormous watches and they cost 4x what the Pebble costs.
The pebble wasn’t an epaper display either. It was just a dull low power lcd.
Transflective memory cell lcd's are amazing technology for the price they cost and the power they use. You trade some viberance for that but I'd call that acceptable tradeoff for always on.
The "epaper" branding is Sharp's idea. And "epaper" has been used for all kinds of things which are not the technology eInk has developed and popularized.
But e-paper _is_ LCD, e-ink isn't.
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You don't get 2 weeks battery life with GPS. That drops it down to less than a day.
Pebble does not have GPS at all. You don't have to use GPS on the watch, if you don't need to. You have an option to choose to use it, if you want to. Garmin watches ~2 weeks just as a smart watch, 8-50 hours with GPS on. But you will not have it on, unless you need it for a specific workout.
Garmin's Enduro 3 claims 13.3 days[1] of continuous GPS tracking with solar recharge and is tested to have 5 continuous days without[2].
[1] https://www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/GUID-7AD1A592-9044-4... [2] https://www.outdoorgearlab.com/reviews/camping-and-hiking/gp...
I get about two weeks from my Garmin Instinct, using GPS sporadically as needed.
Lack of GPS essentially killed the resurrected Pebble for me.
If I am buying a smart/tracking watch today, I want these things from it:
- Great battery life
- HRM (with decent accuracy; doesn't have to pass those "accuracy tests" though)
- GPS (with extremely good accuracy and yes, it has to pass those accuracy tests for GPS. And no, if I turn it ON and use it and the battery dies quickly, I won't hold it against you - that's supposed to happen)
- Do not track me - do not send any data to anywhere unless I specifically want it
- Do not need a phone to be connected to function - let me export data later if I choose to (hell, if this is the only way - I don't mind - BT not being used always isn't so bad - saves a bit of battery; if you need me to do this via a USB type C cable later, I don't mind that either)
That's all!
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If you don't have these features, I don't really mind:
- Show me the incoming call on the screen. - Give me a way to reject or silence it. If I want to answer that call, then I'll reach out to my phone anyway.
- Maybe show the time and day if I tap it or I am fine if it's always shown
- Preferably don't show me notifications from apps in general and if you do - give a very granular way to disable specific apps (this might already be possible)
- Please sell a non-touchscreen option (but I can live with one)
- Do not try to be the smartphone or replicate it somehow and end up becoming a Frankenstein in both size and spirit
- Maybe keep it lightweight?
PS. And, for the love of god, do not ever try to hardcode special chargers/cables like Philips does for their trimmers. Bas----ds sell different cables and different chargers for two trimmer models released in the same year very close to each other and in close price ranges fulfilling similar functions.
> Lack of GPS essentially killed the resurrected Pebble for me. > GPS > Do not need a phone to be connected to function
I don't really think you're in the target demographic for a pebble at all. It sounds like you want a standalone device that's essentially a smartphone on your wrist. I know you say you don't want it to be a smartphone, but if you want battery-life, a GPS, and phone independence, that's the product you're going to get.
Pebble is (and was) more of a smartphone companion, it has basically no smart functionality on its own.
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What made you switch to an Apple Watch? I’ve been tossing up between a Garmin Forerunner 955 or an Apple Watch (I have an iPhone SE 2)
I have been using Apple Watch since series 0. I believe I switched from Garmin fenix 3. I feel like at that time Fenix had a lot of issues, I remember there were some about the maps, maybe they did not even had them at that time. And I was really into hiking. So thought that Apple Watch could be a better watch. Workouts were nice, listening music from the watch was a good addition.
I have not tried new fenix watches. And I would assume they are the same good as Apple Watches as well. But I do like my Apple Watch Ultra (2 or 3, whatever was released this year)
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I can't find the quote in the original post, so I don't know the context of that statement.
But generally, Garmins don't allow developing and installing 3rd-party apps on their watches
Sorry, I guess I was just reading about them, and went to the original blog post published on 2025-03-18 https://ericmigi.com/blog/introducing-two-new-pebbleos-watch...
I was able to develop apps for Garmin Fenix 3, which was released in 2015 https://www.garmin.com/en-US/p/160512/#specs it already supported building apps for the watch. They also had a funny name for the language they built, something like "Gorilla language" or something similar.
EDIT: found it, they call it Monkey-C https://developer.garmin.com/connect-iq/monkey-c/
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Isn’t garmin connect IQ exactly that ?
Edit: damn autocorrect
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Love philosophy and the story bringing it back. I really liked the originals, but today I don’t find the design appealing - I’m sure some of you do ofc.
I'm not sure if the best example, but what I can think of atm — Looking at what Teenage Engineering is doing (copy Dieter Rams), I find their products fun and they feel premium. I think a design refresh for pebble could make a big difference.
Probably hard to think about re-design at this stage, and I do hope it keeps gaining momentum and support to grow.
Not perhaps exactly what you're looking for, but Nothing's smartwatches might scratch that itch. They've got honestly gigantic bezels, but they do a very commendable job on making it seem done purposefully done.
I would in general agree with you. Although I do feel TE have some design flaws regarding structural quality that Braun didn't have and watches would struggle with having.
> Probably hard to think about re-design at this stage
They did redesign the Pebble Time 2, so that may be more to your liking. Sadly as one who still loves the original design, it lost its appeal to me, but perhaps my loss could be your gain on this one.
I agree, design sensibilities have changed. Like you I would love something a bit more utilitarian and clean. It would be a nice contrast to everything else out there.
Teenage Engineering design is fundamentally fauxstalgic.
My app that I published 12 years ago is on there, hah.
Hah, one of the apps I published is still in there, fun to see
I haven't used my pebble for years, but as I don't have a smartwatch, I might bring it back. Do the iOs integrations (calls, messages, etc.) still work as they did? I remember that runkeeper would display data to the watch while running.
Good time to bring it back. You used to have to sideload the iOS app for years and the new app makes using an old Pebble with an iPhone so much easier. :) I've been using the app for a few weeks and it generally works well but not everything is already functional. No voice replies, no health tracking, no canned messages, yet, for example.
Here's the changelog: https://ndocs.repebble.com/changelog
I really want to buy a pebble. Can you please reconsider offering the watch via retailers when it becomes financially viable?