Comment by jimnotgym
7 months ago
Don't buy modern cars. There is a real movement to keep driving cars from circa 2010. This was around peak car for me. You could still block off the egr valve, remove the cat and any dpf nonsense. No 'driving aids' to distract and infuriate me. No touch screens to distract and infuriate me. No software updates. Can still get over 50mpg. My car is going to keep being fixed as long as it is viable.
Deleting the cat is straight up delinquency.
As is disabling the EGR system.
EGR makes emissions worse. It was the wrong fix for the wrong problem.
Diesel vehicles now have SCR and AdBlue, which fixes the problem properly, but they still have the EGR defect.
Even if it makes the emissions test better? Which it can...
If I tested my emissions using UK MOT standards before and after removing the cat and egr, and showed both an improvement and a pass, would that still be problematic for you?
I hope deleting the cat brings a permanent black mark in the MOT history. I wouldn't like to get a damaged car second hand.
OK, I'll bite. Name 2 or more cars from 2010 that got better than 50mpg. I'll wait.........
I am not sure everyone is speaking the same language here. A UK gallon is 25% bigger than a US gallon, so UK mpg is correspondingly higher. Also the testing is presumably different, so numbers measured in the UK are not comparable with US numbers even taking account gallon size differences.
I assume the questioner is asking about US mpg? The Prius was there for sure in US mpg (just, at 51mpg), not sure about others.
* The 2010 Toyota Prius had 51 mpg. * Volkswagen Golf TDI Bluemotion (Diesel, around 62 mpg) * Volkswagen Polo Bluemotion (also Diesel, closer to 71 mpg) * Peugeot 3008 Hybrid4 (Diesel, around 68 mpg, some tests speak about 74 mpg when driven with some sense.)
Pretty much anything with a 1600cc-ish diesel engine, from Europe.
Ford Transit Connect, for example, which could just about do 60mpg on a steady 70mph motorway run.
> OK, I'll bite. Name 2 or more cars from 2010 that got better than 50mpg. I'll wait.........
Not 2010, which makes this so infuriating..
A 1986 Honda CRX HF was rated 51 MPG highway. That was an engine with stone-age technology, and it was possible.
Just imagine +40 years of incremental development with modern materials and modern engine control systems. What could a 2026 Honda CRX HF do in MPG if that development had been allowed to continue all these decades? Certainly above 60, probably above 80 MPG? Maybe above 100MPG.
Instead society is selling us 6000+lb monsters with worse mileage than back in the mid 80s.
Unfortunately increasingly illegal in the EU because of the ULEZs, mandatory driving aids, etc.
Buying a car from 2010 is a guarantee that you won't be able to drive it in 5-10 years..
Can you point me to the directive/regulation that states that? I am in the EU and I'm not aware of any such thing. I have two cars that are 2006-2008 models and I am not planning on replacing them.
There are EU-wide mandatory air quality standards that get stricter as time passes and that are being enforced through low emissions zones which practically make diesel cars illegal. This may not be the case in your country yet but it will arrive with time.
Regarding driving aids, some cities in my European country are looking to make them mandatory in the city centre.
Overall this is being done to keep poor people from driving.
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