people say this like it's a criticism, but damn is it ever nice to start writing a simple crud form and just have copilot autocomplete the whole thing for me.
Back in the 90s you could drag and drop a vb6 applet in Microsoft word. Somehow we’ve regressed..
Edit: for the young, wysiwyg (what you see is what you get) was common for all sorts of languages from c++ to Delphi to html. You could draw up anything you wanted. Many had native bindings to data sources of all kinds. My favourite was actually HyperCard because I learned it in grade school.
Wysiwyg kind of fell apart once we had to stop assuming everyone had an 800x600 or 1024x768 screen, because what you saw was no longer what others got.
I agree. I am "writing" simple crud apps for my own convenience and entertainment.
I can use unfamiliar frameworks and languaged for extra fun and education.
or a typical CRUD app architecture, or a common design pattern, or unit/integration test scaffolding, or standard CI/CD pipeline definitions, or one-off utility scripts, etc...
Like 80% of writing coding is just being a glorified autocomplete and AI is exceptional at automating those aspects. Yes, there is a lot more to being a developer than writing code, but, in those instances, AI really does make a difference in the amount of time one is able to spend focusing on domain-specific deliverables.
And even for "out of distribution" code you can still ask question about how to do the same thing but more optimized, could a library help for this, why is that piece of code giving this unexpected output etc
It has gotten to the point that I don't modify or write SQL. Instead I throw some schema and related queries in and use natural language to rubber duck the change, by which point the LLM can already get it right.
HN's cynicism towards AI coding (and everything else ever) is exhausting. Karpathy would probably cringe reading this.
okay but he literally does have a bridge that non-deterministically might take you to the wrong place to sell you
The original context of this sub-thread was Karpathy saying how AI coding tools were pretty useless for him when working on this particular project.
people say this like it's a criticism, but damn is it ever nice to start writing a simple crud form and just have copilot autocomplete the whole thing for me.
Back in the 90s you could drag and drop a vb6 applet in Microsoft word. Somehow we’ve regressed..
Edit: for the young, wysiwyg (what you see is what you get) was common for all sorts of languages from c++ to Delphi to html. You could draw up anything you wanted. Many had native bindings to data sources of all kinds. My favourite was actually HyperCard because I learned it in grade school.
4gl or RAD is still here, but now it’s called low- or no-code.
Wysiwyg kind of fell apart once we had to stop assuming everyone had an 800x600 or 1024x768 screen, because what you saw was no longer what others got.
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I still miss my days of programming Visual Basic 6. Nothing since then ever compares.
I agree. I am "writing" simple crud apps for my own convenience and entertainment. I can use unfamiliar frameworks and languaged for extra fun and education.
Good times!
People say inbreeding like it’s criticism too.
or a typical CRUD app architecture, or a common design pattern, or unit/integration test scaffolding, or standard CI/CD pipeline definitions, or one-off utility scripts, etc...
Like 80% of writing coding is just being a glorified autocomplete and AI is exceptional at automating those aspects. Yes, there is a lot more to being a developer than writing code, but, in those instances, AI really does make a difference in the amount of time one is able to spend focusing on domain-specific deliverables.
And even for "out of distribution" code you can still ask question about how to do the same thing but more optimized, could a library help for this, why is that piece of code giving this unexpected output etc
It has gotten to the point that I don't modify or write SQL. Instead I throw some schema and related queries in and use natural language to rubber duck the change, by which point the LLM can already get it right.