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Comment by danielmarkbruce

1 day ago

Maybe spend more time reading a response than writing. Yellowcake doesn't know what you are talking about either (note the "pulling teeth" comment).

The examples you gave are a result of the embedding model in question not producing vectors which would map to most peoples conceptual view of the world. Go through that website you quote from and see for yourself - it's just element wise addition.

The examples I gave are entirely made up, 2 dimensional vectors to explain what plain old addition means (ie, plain old "add the vectors element wise") in the context of embedding models. And yes, it's the same as, because I defined it that way. Your website uses 300 dimensions, not 2.

As I mentioned, not all embedding models work the same way (or, as you've said, "this doesn't generalize"). They get trained differently, on different data. The word "similar" is used very loosely.

You even directly quote me and don't seem to be able to read the quote. The word "could" is there. You could end up with a model which had these nice properties.

The entire point of my post was to highlight that yellowcake's confusion arises because he assumes it's an esoteric definition of addition that results in your examples, when it's not that.

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godelski  20 hours ago 

  > Maybe spend more time reading a response than writing.

Quite ironic considering

  > Yellowcake doesn't know what you are talking about either

I actually said

  >> @yellocake seems to understand that "addition" doesn't mean 'addition'

Which is entirely based off of

  >>>>>> Presumably you're overloading the addition symbol

I didn't assume their knowledge, they straight up told me and I updated my understanding based on that. That's how conversations work. And the fact that they understand operator overloading doesn't mean they understand more either. Do they understand monoids, fields, groups, and rings? Who knows? We'll have to let yellowcake tell us.

Regardless, what you claim I assumed about yellowcake's knowledge is quite different than what I actually said. So maybe take your own advice.

I write a lot because, unlike you, I understand these things are complex. Were it simpler, I would not need as many words.

  • danielmarkbruce  19 hours ago

    Yeah except addition does mean addition in this case - ask anyone what plain old addition means for a vector, and they'll tell you element wise addition. The website you quoted is for a simple example using element wise addition and you made it sound as complex as possible because you are desperate to sound smart.