Comment by aw1621107
1 day ago
IIRC Cranelift doesn't use copy-and-patch. It uses e-graphs [0] as part of its optimization pipeline, though.
Closest thing in (relatively) recent news that uses copy-and-patch I can think of is CPython's new JIT.
1 day ago
IIRC Cranelift doesn't use copy-and-patch. It uses e-graphs [0] as part of its optimization pipeline, though.
Closest thing in (relatively) recent news that uses copy-and-patch I can think of is CPython's new JIT.
My understanding is that e-graphs take care of selecting the best patch (by examining many options in parallel) but fundamentally it is still copy-and-patch.
Could you elaborate more on "fundamentally it is still copy-and-patch"? From what I can recall when I had first read about copy-and-patch a not-uncommon comparison was against Cranelift, which to me would imply that different approaches were taken. I don't recall any discussion about Cranelift's use of the technique, either, so your claim that it's at the heart of Cranelift is new information to me. Has Cranelift adopted copy-and-patch (maybe for a specific compilation stage?) in the meantime?
Indeed, the original copy-and-patch paper explicitly compares against Cranelift: https://fredrikbk.com/publications/copy-and-patch.pdf
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Interesting point about Cranelift! I've been following its development for a while, and it seems like there's always something new popping up. That connection with e-graphs adds a neat layer of complexity—it’s kinda wild to think about how optimization strategies can vary so much yet still be rooted in similar ideas.
I wonder if there's a place for copy-and-patch within Cranelift at some level, maybe for specific sequences or operations? I had a similar experience trying to streamline some code generation tasks and found that even small optimizations could lead to surprisingly big performance gains.
I think it's cool how different teams tackle the same challenges from different angles—like how CPython's JIT works, for instance. It really makes you appreciate the depth of creativity in the community. Do you think there are other JITs out there that are using these techniques in ways we haven’t seen yet? Or maybe there are trade-offs between speed and optimization that some projects have to weigh heavier than others?
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You are right. Somehow I had in my mind that e-graphs worked with pre-compiled snippets of code but it seems Cranelift does not do that.