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Comment by YZF

4 months ago

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>I'm not a lawyer but it is not sufficient for Gaza not to be considered "part of Israel".

How?

>Technically Gaza should either be Egyptian or Israeli.

What? No. Why on earth would that be the case?

>There is no state of Palestine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_P...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine

You don't need to be a lawyer to understand there definitely is a state of Palestine.

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    • > What security council resolution recognizes the state of Palestine?

      Not SC, which isn’t relevant to the ICC, but UNGAR 67/19 accepted Palestine “as a non-member observer state” [1]. This was, in part, the basis by which Palestine was confirmed as being under ICC jurisdiction in 2021 [2].

      > That countries recognize a non-existent state called Palestine doesn't mean it exists

      The most practical definition of a country is that other countries recognise it.

      > needs to have ratified the Rome convention

      The Wikipedia article’s jurisdiction section seems to suggest it has [3].

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembl...

      [2] https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/icc-pre-trial-chamber-i-issues-...

      [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Criminal_Court_i...

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    • >What are the recognized borders of the state of Palestine?

      >If it's a state why isn't it a member of the UN?

      Because the US keeps vetoing their membership despite overwhelming support?

      Refer to the linked articles. The fact you're asking these questions means you've refused to read them.

      >That countries recognize a non-existent state called Palestine doesn't mean it exists

      Nonsense. 80% of UN members recognize it. A state that exists. More than enough for any reasonable person. The only thing stopping their membership is the US.

      Your insistence it does not exist and 80% of UN members are hallucinating is bizarre. Your denial of reality does not mean it ceases to exist.

      If it somehow doesn't exist then how come most of the UN recognizes it?

      >It is not sufficient that Gaza is not considered part of Israel because for the ICC to have jurisdiction it needs to be a member of the ICC and needs to have ratified the Rome convention.

      Great. It is both a member of the ICC and has ratified the Rome convention.

      >Gaza should be either Egyptian or Israeli

      No at all.

      >because after 1948 it was a part of Egypt and was occupied from Egypt by Israel during the 1967 six day war.

      Nonsensical reasoning. Occupying some land doesn't make it permanently or retroactively yours with no possibility of change.

      Palestine existed prior to Israel. It seems your understanding is that Palestine suddenly started to exist after Israel's founding. Please refresh your understanding of the history and facts.

      >By this precedent the ICC can have jurisdiction anywhere including inside the US, as long as some other countries decide the US isn't really the US.

      Sure if in this hypothetical scenario this state existed prior to the founding of the US and most of the world recognized it as such.

      Your analogy simply doesn't apply otherwise.

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