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Comment by al_borland

6 months ago

Hopefully this means macOS 27 will be a Snow Leopard type release to focus on bug fixes, performance, and the overall experience, rather than focusing on new features.

Why would it mean that?

It's a myth that Snow Leopard was a bug fix release. Mac OS X 10.6.0 was much buggier than 10.5.8, indeed brought several new severe bugs. However, Mac OS X 10.6 received two years of minor bug fix updates afterward, which eventually made it the OS that people reminiscence about now.

Apple's strict yearly schedule makes "another Snow Leopard" impossible. At this point, Apple has accumulated so much technical debt that they'd need much more than 2 years of minor bug fix updates.

https://lapcatsoftware.com/articles/2023/11/5.html

  • > It's a myth that Snow Leopard was a bug fix release.

    > Mac OS X 10.6.0 was much buggier than 10.5.8

    Somebody who worked on Snow Leopard has already disagreed with you here about those things:

    > As the person who personally ran 10.6 v1.1 at Apple (and 10.5.8), you are wrong(ish).

    > Snow Leopard's stated goal internally was reducing bugs and increasing quality. If you wanted to ship a feature you had to get explicit approval. In feature releases it was bottom up "here is what we are planning to ship" and in Snow Leopard it was top down "can we ship this?".

    > During that time period my team and I triaged every single Mac OS X bug coming into the company every morning. Trust me, SL was of higher quality than Leopard.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43436105

    • > Somebody who worked on Snow Leopard has already disagreed with you here about those things:

      It's instructive to read the entire thread, not just the few sentences you quoted. For example, that person later admits, "So yeah, if you are comparing the most stable polished/fixed/stagnant last major version with the brand new 1.0 major version branch, the newer major is going to be buggier. That would be the case with every y.0 vs x.8."

      > I don’t think the schedule matters. They just over-commit every time.

      That's a distinction without a difference. Apple has committed to releasing major OS updates every year on schedule. That's a recipe for over-committment, because they need to produce enough changes to market it as a major release.

      The "no new features" gimmick of Snow Leopard was a marketing lie but was also unique. It's a gimmick that Apple pulled only once, and it couldn't be repeated frequently by Apple without making a mockery of the whole annual schedule. Maybe they could do it a second time now, but in general the annual schedule is still a major problem for a number of reasons.

      It should also be noted that Snow Leopard itself took 2 years to produce after Leopard.

  • Not sure why you’re downvoted because you’re right.

    Snow leopard brought a huge amount of under the covers features. It was a massive release. The only reason it had that marketing was because they didn’t have a ton of user facing stuff to show

    • That is more or less what users asking for another Snow Leopard want: a release that doesn't have gratuitous UI churn and superficial changes, doesn't break the end user's muscle memory, but instead focuses on deep-seated and long-standing issues under the hood. If the right thing for the OS in the long term is to replace an entire subsystem instead of applying more band-aid fixes, then take the time to do a proper job of it.

      lapcat loves his straw man about OS X 10.6.0 having plenty of bugs, but that misses the point of Snow Leopard. Of course a release that makes changes as fundamental as re-writing the Finder and QuickTime to use the NeXT-derived frameworks rather than the classic Mac OS APIs, and moving most of the built-in apps to 64-bit, is going to introduce or uncover plenty of new bugs. But it fixed a bunch of stubborn bugs and architectural limitations, and the new bugs mostly got ironed out in a reasonable time frame. (Snow Leopard was probably one of the better examples of Apple practicing what they preach: cleaning out legacy code and modernizing the OS and bundled apps the way they usually want third-party developers to do to their own apps.)

      Fixing architectural bugs is still fixing bugs—just at a deeper level than a rapid release schedule driven by marketable end-user features easily allows for.

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No. Only Steve Jobs could have pulled this.

Modern day Apple cannot. A bugfix-only release is not going to sell anything.