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10 days ago
> Because nobody actually wants a "web app". People want food, love, sex or: solutions.
Okay but when I start my car I want to drive it, not fuck it.
10 days ago
> Because nobody actually wants a "web app". People want food, love, sex or: solutions.
Okay but when I start my car I want to drive it, not fuck it.
Most of us actually drive a car to get somewhere. The car, and the driving, are just a modality. Which is the point.
If this was a good answer to mobility, people would prefer the bus over their car. It’s non-deterministic - when will it come? How quick will i get there? Will i get to sit? And it’s operated by an intelligent agent (driver).
Every reason people prefer a car or bike over the bus is a reason non-deterministic agents are a bad interface.
And that analogy works as a glimpse into the future - we’re looking at a fast approaching world where LLMs are the interface to everything for most of us - except for the wealthy, who have access to more deterministic services or actual human agents. How long before the rich person car rental service is the only one with staff at the desk, and the cheaper options are all LLM based agents? Poor people ride the bus, rich people get to drive.
Bus vs car hit home for me as a great example of non vs deterministic.
It has always seemed to me that workflow or processes need to be deterministic and not decided by an LLM.
Here in Switzerland the bus is the deterministic choice. Just saying.
Most of us actually want to get somewhere to do an activity. The getting there is just a modality.
Most of us actually want to get some where to do an activity to enjoy ourselves. The getting there, and activity, are just modalities.
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But I want that somewhere to be deterministic, i.e. I want to arrive to the place I choose. With this kind of non-determinism instead, I have a big chance of getting to the place I choose. But I will also every now and then end up in a different place.
Yeah but in this case your car is non-deterministic so
Well the need is to arrive where you are going.
If we were in an imagined world and you are headed to work
You either walk out your door and there is a self driving car, or you walk out of your door and there is a train waiting for you or you walk out of your door and there is a helicopter or you walk out of your door and there is a literal worm hole.
Let's say all take the same amount of time, are equally safe, same cost, have the same amenities inside, and "feel the same" - would you care if it were different every day?
I don't think I would.
Maybe the wormhole causes slight nausea ;)
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> your car is non-deterministic
it's not as far as your experience goes - you press pedal, it accelerates. You turn the steering, it goes the way it turns. What the car does is deterministic.
More importantly, it does this every time, and the amount of turning (or accelerating) is the same today as it was yesterday.
If an LLM interpreted those inputs, can you say with confidence, that you will accelerate in a way that you predicted? If that is the case, then i would be fine with an LLM interpreted input to drive. Otherwise, how do you know, for sure, that pressing the brakes will stop the car, before you hit somebody in front of you?
of course, you could argue that the input is no longer your moving the brake pads etc - just name a destination and you get there, and that is suppose to be deterministic, as long as you describe your destination correctly. But is that where LLM is at today? or is that the imagined future of LLMs?
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I mean, as long as it works and it is still technically "my car", I would welcome the change.
But do you want to drive, or do you want to be wherever you need to be to fuck?
For me personally, the latter, but there's definitely people out there that just love driving.
Either way, these silly reductionist games aren't addressing the point: if I just want to get from A to B then I definitely want the absolute minimum of unpredictability in how I do it.
That would ruin the brain placticity.
I wonder now, if everything is always different and suddenly every day would be the same. How many times as terrifying would that be compared to the opposite?
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Only because you think the driving is what you want. The point is that what you want is determined by our brain chemicals. Many steps could be skipped if we could just give you the chemicals in your brain that you craved.
I feel like this is the point where we start to make jokes about Honda owners.
Go on, what about honda owners? I don't know the meme.
The "Wham Baam" YouTube channels have a running joke about Hondas bumping into other cars with concerning frequency.
Sadly, this is not true of a (admittedly very small) number of individuals.
Christine didn’t end well for anyone.
...so that you can get to the supermarket for food, to meet someone you love, meet someone you may or may not love, or to solve the problem of how to get to work; etc.
Your ancestors didn't want horses and carts, bicycles, shoes - they wanted the solutions of the day to the same scenarios above.
As much as I love your point, this is where I must ask whether you even want a corporeal form to contain the level of ego you're describing. Would you prefer to be an eternal ghost?
To dismiss the entire universe and its hostilities towards our existence and the workarounds we invent in response as mere means to an end rather than our essence is truly wild.
Most people need to go somewhere (in a hurry) to make money or food etc which most people don't want to do if they didn't have to, so yeah it is mostly a means to an end.
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Even if it purred real nice when it started up? (I’m sorry)
Looks like we have a Civic owner xD
Weird kink
Food -> 'basic needs'... so yeah, Shelter, food, etc. That's why most of us drive. You are also correct to separate Philia and Eros ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love ).
A job is better if your coworkers are of a caliber that they become a secondary family.