Comment by Xenoamorphous
3 months ago
I’m sure they do better than me. Sometimes I get stuck on an endless loop of buses and fire hydrants.
Also, when they ask you to identify traffic lights, do you select the post? And when it’s motor/bycicles, do you select the guy riding it?
Testing those same captcha on Google Chrome improved my accuracy by at least an order of magnitude.
Either that or it was never about the buses and fire hydrants.
It's a known "issue" of reCaptcha, and many other systems like it. If it thinks you're a bot, it will "fail" the first few correct solves before it lets you through.
The worst offenders will just loop you forever, no matter how many solves you get right.
stock Chrome logged into a Google account = definitely not a bot. here, click a few fire hydrants and come on in :^)
I sincerely wish all the folx at Google directly responsible for this particular user acquisition strategy to get every cancer available in California.
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That's because Chrome tracks so much telemetry about you that Google is satisfied with how well it has you surveilled. If you install a ton of privacy extensions like Privacy Badger, uBlock, VPN extensions with information leakage protections, etc., watch that "accuracy" plummet again as it makes you click 20 traffic signals to pass one check.
I stop going to sites using that method due to this. I have no intention of proving I'm a human it I have to click several dubious images 3-4 times in a row.
Yeah, we've looked at it in the context of reCAPTCHA v3 and 'invisible behavioral analysis': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeTpCdUc4Ls
It doesn't catch OpenAI even though the mouse/click behavior is clearly pretty botlike. One hypothesis is that Google reCAPTCHA is overindexing on browser patterns rather than behavioral movement
There is a doom loop mode where it doesn't matter how many you solve or even if you get them correct. My source for this works on this product at Google.
That doesn't surprise me. I find it hard to believe it's a pure coincidence that I would get stuck in the loop regularly when I'm on the university wifi but it would never happen anywhere else ever. After a dozen try, I would remote connect to my home pc and it would magically work on the first try every single time.
Someone from your university tried to scrape data from Google.
I know it's still not justified, but it's the easy solution that works for preventing DOS attacks.
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Tell them I hate them.
Oh, don't worry. That's just v2. V3 uses the Google panopticon to watch your every move and decide if you're human or not that way without ever making you click on images. I'm sure you'll love it!
Firefox and Ubuntu can reliably trigger this mode.
I have a recording of me trying to pass the captcha for straight 5 minutes and giving up. To be fair, this has only happened once.
What is the purpose of such loop? Bots can simply switch to another residential proxy when the captcha success rate gets low. For normal humans, it is literally "computer says no".
It’s not just IP. The score is linked to your google account as well and tracked across google properties
The buses and fire hydrants are easy. It is the bicycles. If it goes a pixel over the next box, do I select the next box? Is the pole part of the traffic light? And the guy as you say. There is a special place in hell for the inventor of reCaptcha (and for all of Cloudflare staff as fas as I am concerned!)
It doesn't matter. Select it of you think other people would select it too.
That's the thing, you could go either way. I am not sure I can answer the question "what would a resonable person click?".
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There's not a right or wrong answer. They're just building consensus for self driving vehicles.
That's not due to accuracy, you're getting tarpitted for not looking human enough.
Pro tip, select a section you know is wrong, then de select it before submitting. Seems to help prove you are not a bot.
Shhh, you're not supposed to tell people. Now they'll patch it and I'll have to select stairs and goddamn motorcycles 4 times in a row.
Another pro tip: the audio version of the captcha is usually much easier / faster to solve if you're in a quiet environment
I wonder how well the AI models would do on the audio version.
Didn't look a lot into this but I think the fact that humans are willing to do this in the "cents per thousand" or something range means that it's really hard to get much interest in automating it
Not sure it is your case but I think I sometimes had to solve many of them when I am in my daily task rush. My hypothesis is that I solve them too fast for "average human resolving duration" recaptcha seems to expect (I think solving it too fast triggers bot fingerprint). More recently when I fall on a recaptcha to solve, I consciently do not rush it and feel have no more to solve more than one anymore. I don't think I have super powers, but as tech guy I do a lot a computing things mechanically.
that, and VPN.
Yes.
Just select the audio option. It's faster and easier. Maybe it's because google doesn't care about training on speech to text. I usually write something random for one word and get the other word correct. I can even write "bzzzzt" at the beginning. They don't care because they aren't focused on training on that data.
Now I think of it, it's really a failure that AI didn't use this and went with guessing which square of an image to select.
I always assume that people are lazy and try and click the least amount of squares as possible to get broadly the correct answer. Therefore, if it says motorbikes just click on the body of the bike and leave out rider and tiles with hardly any bike in them.
If it says traffic lights just click on the ones you can see lit and not the posts and ignore them if they are too far in the distance. Seems to work for me.
The other fun thing is the complete lack of localisation for people not from the US. "Select the squares with crosswalks" - with what? Oh, right, the pedestrian crossings... And the fire hydrants look like we've seen in movies, it's like, oh yeah those do exist in real life!
> do you select the guy riding it? do you select the post?
Just select as _you_ would. As _you_ do.
Imperfection and differing judgments are inherent to being human. The CAPTCHA also measures your mouse movement on the X and Y axes and the timing of your clicks.
While running this I looked at hundreds and hundreds of captchas. And I still get rejected on like 20% of them when I do them. I truly don't understand their algorithm lol
There's a browser extension to solve them. Buster.
> Also, when they ask you to identify traffic lights, do you select the post? And when it’s motor/bycicles, do you select the guy riding it?
This type of captcha is too infuriating so I always skip it until I get the ones where I’m just selecting an entire image, not parts of an image
Google’s captchas are too ambiguous and might as well be answered philosophically with an essay-length textbox
No you don’t select the post. No you don’t select the guy. Hence the point. Agreed they are annoying.