Comment by snickerbockers
6 hours ago
So I definitely agree it's a positive development that these cameras are being taken down because they're absolutely orwellian, but I really don't understand why "the line" is being drawn at immigration enforcement? Were people really okay with this until the point where they found out that illegal immigrants can be tracked by the surveillance state too?
People were okay with it when they assumed, I think naively, that only guilty people had anything to hide.
Now that we've got someone willing to throw all rules and morals to the wayside in charge, they've understandably begun to reassess.
Sure wish Americans could understand the issues before they happen. Not after it's too late.
Stupidity is not exclusive to Americans. It's something that unites all of mankind.
I'd like to say that the people who championed them realized that if fedcops can basically arrest their landscaper over what amounts to a civil infraction then it has implications for them. Unfortunately I don't think the people who championed the cameras in the first place have that kind of self awareness and what we're seeing is instead the typically silent majority saying "no, I akshually agree with the privacy people those are bad".
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Fine then, people accused of nonviolent crimes. Where you split the legal hair doesn't really matter much because the facts of the situation are unchanged IMO. Failing to get government permission for something that's mostly fine isn't all that serious of a crime IMO.
I'm sympathetic to the realities of immigration enforcement but I'm not sympathetic to the "oh, they're bad people so it's fine to violate their rights a little" line of reasoning that most attempts to categorize this or that demographic as criminal, criminal adjacent or likely criminal tend to move in the direction of generally (i.e. not specific to the current immigration debate or enforcement thereof, we could be discussing the DEA in 2002 and the same thing would come up)
"iN sUM cOunTries"
And in this country border agents pepper spray citizens and black bag elementary school teachers terrorizing your own children. What is this the shitty authoritarian olympics? I thought this was the land of the free and all I see is bootlickers.
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I'd have no problems enforcing laws about illegal immigrants if they actually bothered to check and not just deport random brown people even if they're citizens.
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Deporting one person who is a US citizen or has legal status to be here is offensive and we shouldn’t tolerate it.
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Many of those people are seeking asylum, which is legal. It sounds like you're the one that fell for a fake invasion. But everyone in your family will get a raise once you terrorize the brown people enough, right?
This isn't the "people" waking up and not being okay with this, it is one governmental power (the state) realizing that its own power to manage its citizens (the residents of WA) and its sovereignty is being threatened by another power (the fed) in a new way. The system the state previously used to enforce its own power over its constituents is now helping the competing power to have more power over those constituents outside of cooperation with the state power, so they are removing it. There is no sudden awakening of citizen consciousness here. Many of the actions emerging around ICE stuff are about states trying to combat overreaching federal power.
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> Stop acting like you're still ignorant about that.
We've asked you multiple times recently to not post in the flamewar style on HN. It's not what HN is for, and eventually we have to ban accounts that keep doing it.
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Nope. The percentage has flipped.
Hysteria over watching hard working immigrants getting grabbed by masked ICE thugs throwing tear gas at citizens?
Go * yourself and your fascist brain
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/26/immigrants-c...
Weird how we only see them rounding up farm and factory workers, or assaulting journalists in the street, etc. Listen, they have daily arrest quotas in the hundreds. You seriously think they can find this many "bad guys" daily, as Trump calls them? Of course not. They're all fucking fat cowards, unable to even run. They're only arresting whoever does not have a white enough skin to their eyes, and won't resist too much.
And whatever you think of illegal immigration, them arresting kids and deporting them without their parents to country they've never been to is actually evil. Do you understand this "hysteria" a little bit more, or do you actually like children suffering?
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Please don't reply to a bad comment with another bad one.
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Which is bad because a lot of them will be right back to insisting on more cameras, more data collection and more jackboot the second he's gone.
Wonder why people would take issue with the unqualified, armed, masked thugs abducting innocent people off the street and deporting them without recourse or due process. Must be all about Trump, surely.
The only thing defying logic here is the MAGA cult rationalizing away the brown shirts now patrolling the streets of America, they who are supposedly so attached to freedom.
>Wonder why people would take issue with the unqualified, armed, masked thugs abducting innocent people off the street and deporting them without recourse or due process.
Congress can whip up a law making immigration infractions more serious crimes (which comes with better process) and day it chooses.
ICE can send better qualified better trained agents any time it chooses.
They can likewise be more fastidious about who they choose to go after such that far fewer innocents are caught up in it.
Would that make it ok?
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