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Comment by chriselles

3 months ago

I think some are too focused on recruiting or conscripting citizens for fighting a kinetic conflict.

For the Five Eyes(Canada, US, UK, Australia, NZ) that don’t ever need to worry about conventional invasion, it’s far more about national resilience that relates to national defence.

How does a nation rapidly adapt to warfare that is occurring beneath the threshold of conventional warfare, and in some cases general public detection.

It’s not about fighting future trench warfare, it’s likely more about adaption to disruption to the nation of the electrical grid, logistics systems, and digital platforms.

A contemporary civil defence optimised not to defend against nuclear war but to defend against cyber, informational, psychological, and supply chain warfare.

Less continuity of government(as per Cold awards doctrine), more continuity of economy.

That’s just my 0.02c.

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L_226  3 months ago

> For the Five Eyes(Canada, US, UK, Australia, NZ) that don’t ever need to worry about conventional invasion

Australia is extremely at risk of conventional invasion, their current independence is a function of alliance to the strongest navy in the Pacific. Without a US that is willing and able to ensure Australia's free access to the surrounding ocean, AU is absolutely unable to deploy enough of their own military to fend of probably even Indonesia, let alone China. The coastline is just far too long, the military assets too few, and the country too depopulated to be able to stop a determined invasion.

  • chriselles  3 months ago

    I need to push back on your analysis on this. Quite hard actually.

    Indonesia lacks the force projection capability to even project an expeditionary force into Northern Australia.

    Sustaining an expeditionary force into Northern Australia by Indonesia would leave it incredibly vulnerable to air and sea supply chain interdiction.

    With first hand professional domain experience, and without arrogance or hubris, an Indonesian invasion of Northern Australia would be disastrous for Indonesia.

    China invading Australia would entail a much more capable, but entirely untested, expeditionary force over much longer and far more vulnerable supply chains.

    With just FVEY intelligence support and FVEY forces already forward deployed into Australia, the likelihood of China successfully establishing and sustaining a beachhead to break into Australia with a conventional invasion would be similar to that of Indonesia, due to very long and very vulnerable supply chains.

    Unless China glassed Australia with nuclear weapons, any attempt by Xi and the CCP's PLAN/PLAAF/PLA to conventionally invade Australia would be a moon shot too far.

    China's fleet steaming south would be severely attrited transitting limited maritime traffic route bottlenecks that would be akin to cattle chutes in a slaughter house, while China's own energy/food/raw industrial materials commercial maritime supply chains would be existentially vulnerable.

    That's just to Australia's current fleet of Collins class submarines and tanker supported F35s.

    Australia's AUKUS nuclear submarine investment will magnify that current independent threat to China's maritime supply chain.

    Which is odd, considering this comedic skit is partially true:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cGYQneo-G8

    Unconventional attack is far, far more likely. Thus requiring a focus on national resilience and adaptability to crisis.

    • L_226  3 months ago

      The Indonesia comment was a bit of cheek, I totally concede that it would be disastrous for them. However, I don't think that a conventional invasion is too far fetched IFF USN assets withdraw from the western Pacific.

      Yes China has to transit the straits around SEA, but how many Collins does Australia actually currently have available to deny these channels, 1 or 2? Additionally, if this scenario happened and the US was in full turtle-mode, how long do you think AU could sustain those F35s? AUKUS won't deliver actual capability to Australia until maybe 2035 at the earliest, and those subs are too large to feasibly use the channels around Indonesia and Malaysia effectively anyway.

      But yes I agree, unconventional attacks are more likely.

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