Comment by lavela

No, right now the thread on the issue has spun out into basically one troll cat fighting with a bunch of people.

https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-righ...

The timeline

1. Framework sent a laptop to DHH and sponsored his version of ruby conference, and promotes Omarchy, which DHH created, on social media. Also promoted hyprland.

2. Thread started, goes viral. People basically asking, "did you know DHH has some really weird and kinda gross blog posts dog whistling about how London isn't white anymore? Did you know there's hella transphobic joking going around in hyprland discord?"

3. Hyprland drama resolved when multiple users point out the main dev had a come to Jesus moment about their toxic community

4. Framework ceo Nirav makes a big post about how they're trying to create a "big tent" and push FOSS with this method.

5. Users point out that big tents with Nazis in it are just big Nazi tents (the Nazi bar issue, if you don't throw out the first Nazi that shows up to your bar, more will come, and normal customers will leave because nobody wants to be around Nazis, this, your bar is a Nazi bar now)

6. Predictably an ongoing fight about whether DHH is actually a fascist/ Nazi result in people saying things like "wait but I agree with him on the London thing," or worse, flagrant transphobia towards other users. This results in accusations against these users of they themselves being fascists or transphobes.

7. Some framework mod comes in to lay down the rules about how all other threads on this subject will be closed, this thread will be kept open in perpetuity and framework welcomes people to use it to criticize them or public figures or even organize a boycott if they want, however the mod requests people to not make transphobic comments or accuse other forum users of being fascists, as this will result in comment deletion. The ostensible goal: users attack public figures and not each other, and if a forum user vs forum user attack occurs, leaves it to the mods to deal with rather than everyone suddenly shouting "you're a transphobe! That's transphobic!" But the appearance: "we don't allow transphobes or anti-fascists here," or some other equivocation between being a transphobe/ fascist and being one who wants to point out that something is transphobic or fascist. I think it's a common pr "both sidesism" blunder community leaders make.

8. A shitstorm commences for a week. Silence from framework. Framework abandons most social media.

9. Framework's Linux community ambassadors relinquish their positions, citing Framework's silence on not being willing to say explicitly that they won't promote white supremacists/ fascists / DHH.

That's where we're at today. I learned a lot from the thread. I'm an obnoxious little anarchist that discovered that apparently a lot of people thought framework was going to save us from consumerist e waste capitalism and by betraying other progressive goals they also can't be trusted now for the other mission, and so all hope is lost and so now the only thing left to do is go back to buying products from companies that probably have child slavery in their supply chain. I also discovered that trying to do just a bit of progressivism means you must be perfect in every way or people will revert to default capitalism mode out of spite, basically a liberal form of leftist infighting that someone described to me as "treatlerism."

Any additional context for those out of the loop?

Why would Framework "distance" themselves from Omarchy? What's a Linux distro got to do with anything?

Valve most likely cares about more relevant things than idiotic Internet shitfights, such as functional technology, or paying customers.