Comment by tw1984
3 days ago
Chinese have their own coding agents on par with Claude Code, why would they use Claude Code? Also if such agents are useful, they could just FT/RL their own for such specific use case (cyber espionage campaign) and get far better performance.
This is basically an IQ test. It gives me the feeling that anthropic is literally implying that Chinese state backed hackers don't have access to be the best Chinese AI and had to use American ones.
> Chinese have their own coding agents on par with Claude Code, why would they use Claude Code?
They're probably using their own models as well, we just don't hear about them. That this particular sequence of this attack was done using Claude doesn't imply that other (perhaps even more sophisticated attacks) are happening with other models. For all we know the attackers could have had some Anthropic credits lying around/a stolen API key.
why would they use a single AI provider? There are tons of openrouter-like platforms operated by Chinese. They just choose whatever works.
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Nobody has access to 'frontier quality models' except Open AI, Anthropic, Google, maybe Grok, maybe Meta etc. aka nobody in China quite yet. And - there are 'layers' of Engineering beyond just model that make quite a big difference. For certain tasks, GPT5 might be beyond all others, same for Claude + Claude.
That said, the fact that they're doing this while knowing that Anthropic could be monitoring implies a degree of either real or arbitrary irreverence: either they were lazy or dumb (unlikely), or it was some ad hoc situation wherein they really just did not care. Some sub-sub-sub team at some entity just 'started doing stuff' without a whole lot of thought.
'State Backed Entities' are very numerous, it's not unreasonable that some of them, somewhere are prompting a few things that are sketchy.
I'm sure there's a lot of this going on everywhere - and this is the one Anthropic chose to highlight for whatever reasons, which could be complicated.
> Nobody has access to 'frontier quality models' except Open AI, Anthropic, Google, maybe Grok, maybe Meta etc. aka nobody in China quite yet.
welcome to 2025. Meta doesn't have anything on par with what Chinese got, that is common knowledge. Kimi, GLM, QWen and MiniMax are all frontier models no matter how you judge it. DeepSeek is obviously cooking something big, you need to be totally blind to ignore that.
America's lead in LLM is just weeks, not quarters or years. Arguing that Chinese spy agencies have to rely on American coding agents to do its job is more like a joke.
Kimi is plausibly near the frontier but definitely not up to GPT5 spec, the rest are definitely not 'frontier models'.
There are objective ways of 'judging' them.
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