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Comment by Lammy

6 hours ago

FUD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt

I'm so sick of people telling me to BE AFRAID. If you want to live without the risk of a little danger, go live in prison.

No one told you to be afraid, install anything you want on your computer. Personally I just dont want to deal with getting my logins and keys stolen. It'd be very annoying.

> If you want to live without the risk of a little danger, go live in prison.

You have a very interesting idea of prison life.

In any case, labeling this a FUD I find to be a rather ill-spirited characterization. "Be cautious, not afraid." It is difficult to exercise caution without being aware of the risks, and this is a real risk.

But since we're getting all philosophical, it also hampers the exploration of the space between uncontrolled safety + original vision <-> controlled safety + a total loss of that vision. Which I find is what a lot of the pleas towards "freedom" actually turn out to be; an obstruction of curiosity and rigor that would otherwise yield a more robust portfolio of options. The Monkey's Paw edition of the idea, where freedom is just another word for the unknown. The ability to do better, and an active choice not to.

If I think about when I usually take on operational risks at work confidently, it comes down to two things: knowing what might go wrong, and having a contingency plan. It is not going YOLO. Note the emphasis on taking on risks (so these are not unavoidable risks).

Contrast this with what was said. You're appealing to the risk both remaining unknown and staying unavoidable, while being fully aware that people do not maintain contingencies for this. How is this any reasonable? Is "rolling the dice on getting their systems infected" vs. "just getting their OS look different" really what you think people are looking to spice up their life with?

This is not a knock on the project or the community mind you, it's a knock on your idea of preferring to keep things yeeing and hawing. Something which I can assure you I'm growing equally if not more tired of than purportedly "having to be afraid". Especially given how I increasingly struggle to suspend my disbelief when people claim they're now being told all the time how they should "be afraid", and how they're now supposedly living in terror because of it, as the innocent victims they are. People blatantly mischaracterizing reasonable concerns as FUD over and over kinda does that to you. I think the trendy word for this is "performative"?

Between having to choose "not telling people about dangers so that those with an inability to properly self-regulate their anxiety don't go toast" and "always leading with the danger and safety information", maybe the way forward instead is having appropriate spaces for these? Cause I'd argue in that case, the extents the post you replied to went is pretty okay for this forum in my view. They know that arbitrary code is submitted, so they're wondering how malware is screened. Big deal.

  • > You have a very interesting idea of prison life.

    That was intentional, because not only are you trapped and told exactly when and where to go by the obnoxious Cult Of Security, but every once in a while Windows Update and Windows Defender will come along and shiv you in the bathroom. Rev your system fans the moment you let your computer go “idle”, drain your battery in your bag, reboot out from under you, delete all your keygens and tell you it's for your benefit, and constantly hash your files and report your unique usage patterns to not only Microsoft but the NSA-weaponized Internet infrastructure between you and them. So-called security is inherently the panopticon just like prison.

    > your idea of preferring to keep things yeeing and hawing

    Hell yeah, at least my intent comes through. You may choose not to live free, but please respect that some of us do and are willing to have fun toys with community reputation :)

    There's nothing on my Windows machine that could be leaked that hasn't already been leaked by Experian, AT&T, Snowflake, a million other breaches, probably lots of breaches we've never even heard about. My personal files back up to my mesh-VPNed NAS on a regular automated basis, and I enjoy a read+write Samba share and protection from cryptolockers simultaneously thanks to automated monthly/weekly/daily ZFS snapshots on my NAS. The yee-est of haws!

    • The intent sure comes through (despite your attempts to conceal it), the reasoning doesn't. And it continues not to, not the least because of the desire for superiority relentlessly taking over you, muddying your rationale with persistent smug mockery and creative interpretations. So unfortunately no, I'll have to kindly refuse your request to respect all this.