Comment by dzhiurgis
16 hours ago
> LFP charging in cold has pretty much been solved by adding a heater to battery pack.
That's a hack, not a solution.
> Given CATL is scaling sodium-ion production to to GWh scale next year, it sounds like they are betting for a much shorter timeframe.
Wanna bet? LFP is ~1,000 GWh scale right now. GWh scale is 0.1%.
I pulled into a Supercharger with my LFP-battery EV last winter. The temperature outside was -15C and I had not set the navigator so there was no pre-warming activated.
By the time I had finished my coffe, SoC had gone from 30-ish to 90-ish percent.
LFP tech anno 2023 is perfectly good enough for road tripping in large cars in severe winter conditions. For almost everyone.
So your battery was preheated. I once did the same with approx 0C battery temperature and whole ordeal took at least 2x longer. Yes there was farmers market in front of charge station so I had a good time with kiddo. That’s not the point.
Let’s not pretend better batteries shouldn’t exist.
Or just press the button to manually preheat the battery?
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>That's a hack, not a solution.
Why do you say that? It sounds like a simple solution to me.
Because it doesn’t solve the problem, it merely works around it. Solving the problem would mean coming up with a battery chemistry that doesn’t suffer in the cold. Instead the answer is “just don’t have it get cold”.
It’s not to say a hack/workaround isn’t useful, and I would say that it’s perfectly acceptable to simply use a battery heater in the winter. But calling it “solved” confuses solutions and workarounds, and that’s an intellectually dishonest thing to do.
Leave your car with 5% SOC overnight and then try to find energy in morning to preheat battery. People have painted into corner themselves before. It’s perfectly adequate for my very mild climate and even then I get limited regen about 6 morning months per year.
This is the EV equivalent of riding your old motorcycle with the reserve valve open the entire time.
You are driving a giant killing machine around... it isn't too much to ask that you have some foresight to avoid the situation you describe.
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It takes hours to heat a cold large pack til it's warm enough to charge. That's a drawback.
All the EV owners in Scandinavia don’t have practical problems charging in winter at will.
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Isn't starting a fire under your engine to get it to start a hack too? I mean they could add a heater to the engine. Wait.
After market electric engine heaters and remote starters are typical for ICE vehicles in cold climates (e.g. Alaska). Not sure why you consider this to be a hack for EVs if its builtin to the battery pack design.