Comment by torginus
14 hours ago
This is the funniest thing, considering it lacks 90% of the features included freeware text editors written in some student's spare time back in the 90s.
It's basically a fancy textbox.
Microsoft's own people can't use the toolkits they write, as evidenced by the React component in the start menu(!)
They can, the problem is that apparently they aren't able to hire people nowadays with Win32 development experience, so they get interns that have grown in US universities with macOS and Linux, which sundenly have a Win32 developer role.
That is how you end up with web garbage in what was supposed to be native code, or .NET.
I think this is also a reason why WinUI efforts went down the drain.
They laid off a lot of people with Win32 experience in the past couple of years. If that was really a problem they could just hire some of them back (or, I dunno, keep them in the first place).
Keep them?? But how else would you keep devs working hard if there are no mass layoffs to be afraid of all the time??
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Agreed, or I don't know, actually promote internal trainings for the folks that lack the experience.
The problem isn't hiring people that only know macOS/Linux, we always argue about how bad HR hiring processes are in our field.
The problem is apparently the lack of management motivation to bring those peoples up to speed, and is confortable pushing for Web widgets instead.
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>> they aren't able to hire people nowadays with Win32 development
They can hire pretty much anyone. They choose to not hire people with Win32 experience. They choose to implement hiring process which results in hire other kind of people.
But who is letting interns with no experience take architectural and technological decisions for a core feature such as the start menu? These are the people that should be blamed.
Yet Apple can find decent developers to work with their Apple-specific tools+tech.
Yeah, there's been complaints about some Apple's old polish and consistency being lost, but it's usually very nitpicky stuff, nothing compared to the complaints about Win11.
Have you actually tried out Tahoe with Liquid Glass?
You're only half right, a lot of these devs probably use Windows but since JSwhatever is the current lingua franca of programming it's easier to hire for
> this is also a reason why WinUI efforts went down the drain.
That may be, but there is PLENTY of people with the expertise to develop WinUI apps -- IMO, the glaring problem would be that Microsoft can't get their head straight on which UI to support in the first place!
Win32, Windows Forms, WPF, even MFC, I do agree.
WinUI, only Microsoft employees on the Windows team, and fools that aren't aware of all the WinRT tooling reboots since Windows 8 was introduced, buying into WinUI marketing of how great it is.
As one of the fools that thought WinRT was a great idea, what .NET 1.0 should have been, I doubt there are many of those left.
WPF wasn't brought back into active status at BUILD 2024 by accident.
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I personally think this is a symptom of tech companies hiring leetcoders.
Do they hire from US universities?
I thought most work is outsourced now.
> It's basically a fancy textbox.
That was the lure.
But the real Notepad has been decommissioned and there is some bloated one now.
Is notepad++ still a thing? I only use Windows as a dumb terminal now.
Yes.
The two applications i miss on my linux boxes are notepad++ (though Kate is a good substitute) and GitExtensions
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Ye about the only app I miss on my Debian systems.
Yes, happy user and donations contributor over here.
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yeah, and it's still one of things in Windows that is a pleasure to use when you need it.
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It's not even a competent textbox. Try to scan barcodes into it for example, or use it with Autohotkey. It has some sort of buffering issue and lags horribly whenever characters are input faster than a human.