Comment by Freak_NL
6 hours ago
Is there a word for that feeling of relief when someone else fucked up after initially thinking it was you?
6 hours ago
Is there a word for that feeling of relief when someone else fucked up after initially thinking it was you?
What’s funny is as I get older this feeling of relief turns more like a feeling of dread. The nice thing about problems that you cause is that you have considerable autonomy to fix them. Cloudflare goes down you’re sitting and waiting for a 3 party to fix something.
Why is it dread? I always feel good when big players mess up, as it makes me feel better about my own mess ups in life previously.
Can’t speak for GP but ultimately I’d rather it be my fault or my company’s fault so I have something I can directly do for my customers who can’t use our software. The sense of dread isn’t about failure but feeling empathy for others who might not make payroll on time or whatever because my service that they rely on is down. And the second order effects, like some employee of a customer being unable to make rent or be forced to take out a short term loan or whatever. The fallout from something like this can have an unexpected human cost at times. Thankfully it’s Tuesday, not a critical payroll day for most employees.
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Because my customers don’t (and shouldn’t care) it’s a third party. If I caused it there is a chance I can fix it.
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When others cause problems then you can put your feet up and surf the web waiting for resolution. Oh, wait.
The problem is, I still get the wrong end of the stick when AWS or CF go down! Management doesn't care, understandably. They just want the money to keep coming in. It's hard to convince them that this is a pretty big problem. The only thing that will calm them down a bit is to tell them Twitter is also down. If that doesn't get them, I say ChatGPT is also down. Now NOBODY will get any work done! lol.
This is why you ALWAYS have a proposal ready. I literally had my ass saved by having tickets with reliability/redundancy work clearly laid out with comments by out of touch product/people managers deprioritizing the work after attempts to pull it off the backlog (in one infamous case for a notoriously poorly conceived and expensive failure of a project that haunted us again with lost opportunity cost).
The hilarious part of the whole story is that the same PMs and product managers were (and I cannot overemphasize this enough) absolutely militant orthodox agile practitioners with jira.
Every time a major cloud goes down, management tells us why don't we have a backup service that we can switch to. Then I tell them that a bunch of services worth a lot more than us are also down. Do you really want to spend the insane amount of resources to make sure our service stays up when the global internet is down?
Having an alt to Cloudflare isn’t preposterous.
Who decided to go with AWS of CF? If its a management decision tell them you need the resources to have a fallback if they want their system to be more reliable than AWS or CF.
Haha yeah I just got off the phone and I said, look, either this gets fixed soon or there's going to be news headlines with photographs of giant queues of people milling around in airports.
phewphoria
Well, at least something good came out of this incident.
Perfect.
Yup, that works.
it has to sound like a german word though
Is there a word for a feeling that there's gotta be a German word for this niche feeling?
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Fremdverfehlungserleichterung?
Entlastungvergnugen?
puhphorie
The German word “schadenfreude” means taking pleasure in someone else’s misfortune; enjoyment rather than relief.
since schaden is damage and freude is joy, not sure what it should be - maybe Schadeleichtig hmm...
>maybe Schadeleichtig
Maybe "Erleichterung" (relief)? But as a German "Schadenserleichterung" (also: notice the "s" between both compound word parts) rather sounds like a reduction of damage (since "Erleichterung" also means mitigation or alleviation).
Schadenfriend?
You gain relief, but you don't exactly derive pleasure as it's someone you know that's getting the ass end of the deal
When I'm debugging something, I'm not usually looking for the solution to the problem; I'm looking for sufficient evidence that I didn't cause the problem. Once I have that, the velocity at which I work slows down
My manager once asked if he could have a "quick word". I said "velocity".
Maybe this isn’t great, but I get a hint of that feeling when I’m on an airplane and hear a baby crying. For a number of years, if I heard a baby crying, it was probably my baby and I had to deal with it. But now my kids are past that phase, so when I hear the crying, after that initial jolt of panic I realize that it isn’t my problem, and that does give me the warm fuzzies. Even though I do feel bad for the baby and their parents.
Related situation: you're at a family gathering and everyone has young kids running around. You hear a thump, and then some kid starts screaming. Conversation stops and every parent keenly listens to the screams to try and figure out whose kid just got hurt, then some other parent jumps up - it's not your kid! #phewphoria
You're not alone in this feeling. I occasionally smile when it's not my kid.
This is one of the secret joys of being a parent.
Schadenfreude
Nah, that's delight in someone else's misfortune. This is delight that the misfortune wasn't yours, which is slightly different.
4 years of German and I still don't quite "get" it :^) TY!
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Katastrophenverursachererleichterung
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Not quite, that’s more like taking pleasure in the misfortune of someone else. It’s close, but the specific relief bit that it is not _your_ misfortune is not captured
Internettet er vist ikke så stort :-)
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vindication?
It's close enough to Schadenfreude but not really.