Comment by stavros
7 hours ago
> the best fully open 32B-scale thinking model
It's absolutely fantastic that they're releasing an actually OSS model, but isn't "the best fully open" a bit of a low bar? I'm not aware of any other fully open models.
7 hours ago
> the best fully open 32B-scale thinking model
It's absolutely fantastic that they're releasing an actually OSS model, but isn't "the best fully open" a bit of a low bar? I'm not aware of any other fully open models.
Switzerland, through EPFL, ETH Zurich, and the Swiss National Supercomputing Centre, has released a complete pipeline with all training data - that is "fully open", to my understanding.
See https://www.swiss-ai.org/apertus for details.
https://ethz.ch/en/news-and-events/eth-news/news/2025/07/a-l... was the press release.
All the data used by Apertus is just data processed or generated by American companies(NVidia, Apple and huggingface mostly). They didn't release any new data.
Olmo and HF not only processed the data to address language bias, they also publish lot of data augmentation results including European language performance. European LLMs just claim that language bias is the motivator.
Well if open source is one of your USP, then better mention that right? Open Source people tend to also like that their work is.. open source.
And otherwise you 1on1 start competing with notsoOpenAI, or say Llama.
My observation was more on "best", rather than on "fully open". It's like Apple saying "this is the best iPhone" for every new iPhone.
AFSIK, when they use the term "fully open", they mean open dataset and open training code. The Olmo series of models are the only mainstream models out there that satisfy this requirement, hence the clause.
> We go beyond just releasing model weights - we provide our training code, training data, our model weights, and our recipes.
https://docs.allenai.org/#truly-open
Yes, and that's why saying this is "the best" is a tautology. If it's the only one, it's obviously the best, and the worst, and everything.
Yeah. There are other fully open models like Hugging Face SmolLM but they are not common.
There's a lot of fully open models made by hobbyists and some by researchers. If you've only heard of this one, it's likely because this one is the closest to being competitive with closed models.
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