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Comment by itopaloglu83

3 days ago

Apple also helped develop ARM, but I believe nobody likes to talk about that.

I wonder when the Europe is going to open up European companies like ASML, who are pretty much the de facto monopolies in their field. I believe the Nexperia incident showed that there's also a lot of political and national reasons behind such decisions, not just creating open and fair markets.

That's not right. They were an early investor in ARM Ltd., but they in no way "helped develop ARM". That was all Acorn. ARM Ltd was created because Apple thought ARM was a good fit for the Newton, but didn't want to be beholden to a competitor, which Acorn was.

  • Apple is the leader of nearly all new developments to the ARM ISA, which has evolved considerably since Acorn died.

Who is stopping someone from competing against ASML?

  • Who’s stopping anyone from competing with Apple?

    Let’s force ASML to open up its manufacturing line and cancel their patents for squandering innovation, but wait they’re an incredible company that dominated the field with their hard work and diligence, so it’s not fair for them.

    Similarly, the open markets should apply to everyone, not just dominant American firms.

    Though, I’m not saying they’re innocent and I think they have to be even broken up due to their monopolistic behaviors.

    • > Who’s stopping anyone from competing with Apple?

      Apple's dominant market position and abuse of network effects via their proprietary standards, like the one we're talking about from this article.

      > Let’s force ASML to open up its manufacturing line and cancel their patents for squandering innovation

      No-one's arguing for any equivalent of that to happen to Apple. Just that when there's an open standard for inter-device communication, they should follow that. Imagine if ASML-manufactured processors wouldn't work with standard DDR5, only with some special memory chips that only ASML could manufacture, that would be the equivalent to what Apple is doing.

      Apple should enjoy the profits from when they make better products that win on their merits. But they should have to compete fairly.

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    • ASML provides their devices to any (eligible) company.

      If you want an Apple analogy, imagine ASML requiring that they get 30% of all the income generated by devices that use ASML-produced chips.