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Comment by AnthonyMouse

11 hours ago

> By "everywhere" I obviously don't mean "on your private property", I mean "everywhere" as in "on every street corner and so on".

If they're on each person's private property then they're on every street corner and so on. The distinction you're really after is between decentralized and centralized control/access, which is rather the point.

> It's kind of bizarre to see people thinking these LLM operators will be somehow on the side of freedom and copyleft considering what they are doing.

You're conflating the operators with the thing itself.

LLMs exist and nobody can un-exist them now because they're really just code and data. The only question is, are they a thing that does what you want because there are good published models that anybody can run on their own hardware, or are the only up-to-date ones corporate and censored and politically compromised by every clodpoll who can stir up a mob?

You really try hard to misunderstand it. A small shop has own cctv to catch intruders = one thing. Local company installing cctv everywhere = different thing. In practice they can be both supplied by one company, centralized and unified and sold and fighting ANY cctv is ultimately the winning move.

> LLMs exist and nobody can un-exist them now because they're really just code and data

"Malware exists and nobody can unexist it now because it's just code and data"

  • > A small shop has own cctv to catch intruders = one thing. Local company installing cctv everywhere = different thing.

    But that's the thing you were implying couldn't be distinguished. Every small shop having its own CCTV is different than one company having cameras everywhere, even if they both result cameras all over the place.

    > "Malware exists and nobody can unexist it now because it's just code and data"

    Which is accurate. Even if you tried to ban malware, or LLMs, they would still be produced by China et al. And malware is by definition bad, so you're also omitting the thing that matters again, which is that we should not ban the LLMs that aren't bad.

    • like LLM or NFT or killer drones, malware isn't bad for somebody. it is always about who it is benefits the most.

      > the LLMs that aren't bad

      which LLM is not made by stealing copyleft code?

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