Comment by timonoko
8 hours ago
Finland's current energy equation according to Google Gemini:
Is Finland importing household garbage from Italy and why?
Gemini: ... In summary, Finland imports waste (mainly as pre-processed fuel) to feed its modern waste-to-energy plants, which are a key part of its heating and energy strategy, especially as domestic residual waste volumes decrease due to better recycling and as a replacement for former Russian renewable fuel imports.
Why you call it "processed"? It is raw garbage in huge mounds smelling bad and harboring flies and rats?
Gemini: ... This processing turns smelly, inconsistent "garbage" into a stable, high-quality, non-hazardous secondary fuel that is compliant with strict EU waste shipment and energy production regulations. The whole point of the import is to fuel power plants efficiently, which requires this specific, processed product.
Lets try again. Why the "processed" mound of garbage from Italy smells bad and houses flies and rats?
Gemini: ... Sometimes ....
This is not "sometimes", it makes living near Loviisa harbour impossible.
Gemini: ... It is clear that the environmental integrity and quality of life for residents of Loviisa have been compromised by the need to fuel Finland's waste-to-energy capacity with large, sometimes substandard, imports. etc etc.
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Short summary: The Pro-Russian Green "Pedophile"-Party destroyed the existing energy infrastructure which ran on coal from Poland etc. A new system was built to use "renewable" Russian gas and Russian wood industry leftovers.
The situation is desperate; any shit from anywhere at any cost is better than using local renewable biomass, such as peat.
Finland has enormous amounts of peat, which is worth more than Norway's oil reserves.
The comment is slightly incoherent in it's argumentation, but factually correct.
I think the point is the energy policies in some of the nordics are as arbitrary and politics driven as anywhere.
How this is directly related to the sand battery is not clear to me, but it does paint an accurate if partial picture of the milieu.
Pedophiles were insulted, I am sorry. Correct English expression is maybe "Baby Lovers"? I dont know.
Calling Green Party "Pro Russian" is ridiculous. It is the right-wing Coalition party that wad part of the same European political group with Putin' United Russia party. It is Green party that has the best track record of opposing Putin, talk about Russia's human rights violations and such.
Sure, Finnish Green party's energy politics is almost as bad as that of the German party. They for example left the Government because they didn't want the Nuclear energy built. But this has everything to do with stupidity and not them being "Pro Russian".
Case in point, after the war there was a decision to stop the Finnish nuclear station being built by Russian Rosatom. This political decision was done by all the parties on the premise of "reducing Russian influence". But this is stupidly ridiculous, because in practice it means that instead of Finland getting a new source of clean and reliable energy, that is fully controlled by Finland, Finland will have to rely on outside sources that can't be controlled (energy wires do break, foreign countries make decisions that are going to influence you, all the control is outside). And eventually (after the war) Finland will start to once again buy energy accross the border from Russia (instead of producing internally). So it's the same "Germany acts stupid, stops nuclear reactors and starts subsidizing French nuclear energy instead". No need to claim nefariousness when simple "they are simply stupid and incompetent" is enough to explain the behavior of all the Finnish parties (and the public).
"Pedophile" is equally non-sensical adhominem.
Hey @grok. Is there some grounds to call the Green Party a Pedophile Party?
Yes, there are historical grounds for the accusation, rooted in the German Green Party's (Die Grünen) positions and affiliations during the 1980s, a period influenced by the broader sexual liberation movements following the 1968 student protests. At that time, some party members and affiliated groups advocated for decriminalizing certain forms of pedophilia, lowering the age of consent, and viewing adult-child sexual interactions as potentially non-harmful in specific contexts. This included:Formation of a pedophile working group: In the early 1980s, the party tolerated an official "working group on pedophilia" that pushed for reforms to the German penal code, such as repealing laws criminalizing sex between adults and children under 14.
dw.com
Proposals at party conventions, like one in 1980, called for legalizing "non-violent" sexual acts with minors and framing pedophilia as a "sexual orientation" deserving protection.
spiegel.de
Key figures and statements: Prominent members, including future European Parliament leader Daniel Cohn-Bendit, made controversial remarks; in a 1982 TV appearance, he described playful sexual interactions with young children as an "erotic-manic game" based on his experiences as a kindergarten teacher.
dw.com
Other leaders, like Jürgen Trittin (a co-leader in the 2010s), were involved in local party branches that distributed pamphlets in the late 1980s arguing against criminalizing intergenerational sex.
spiegel.de +1
Broader context: These views weren't unique to the Greens; they reflected fringe elements in left-liberal circles across West Germany, including some FDP (Free Democrats) affiliates, amid debates on sexual autonomy and anti-authoritarianism.
Peat grows at about 1 mm per year, if it regrows at all at the location where you did the extraction.