Comment by phantasmish
1 month ago
It's crazy how strong the Eliza effect is. Seemingly half or more of tech people (who post online, anyway) are falling for it, yet again.
1 month ago
It's crazy how strong the Eliza effect is. Seemingly half or more of tech people (who post online, anyway) are falling for it, yet again.
A lot of tech people online also don't know how to examine their own feelings, and so think they are mysterious and un-defined.
When really they are an actual feedback mechanism, that can totally be quantified just like any control loop. This whole 'unknowable qualia' argument is bunk.
If theyre unknowable, are they not metaphysical and thus should be discarded in reasoning about them?
What's the difference between qualia and a soul?
The color Red is often used. A human can experience 'Red', but 'Red' does not exist out in the universe somewhere. 'Red' Doesn't exist outside of someone experiencing 'Red'. I think philosophers are just using the word qualia to quantify this 'experiencing' inputs.
But, it is still just a way to try and describe this process of processing the inputs from the world.
It isn't metaphysical, because it can be measured.
I might have said 'unknowable' a little flippantly.
I just meant, in these arguments, some people start using 'qualia' to actually mean some extreme things like our mind creates the universe or something.
It's one of those words that isn't defined well.
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Qualia are phenomenal properties of experience, a soul is something some religions claim exists outside of measurable physical reality which represents the "essence" of an organism, implying that consciousness is some divine process and conveniently letting us draw lines over whom and what we can and can't morally kill.
Qualia can be an entirely physical phenomenon and is not loaded with theological baggage.
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