Comment by cheeseblubber

What were the risk adjusted returns? Without knowing that, this is all kind of meaningless. Being high beta in a rising market doesn't equate to anything brilliant.

You're not really giving them any money and it's not actually trading.

There's no market impact to any trading decision they make.

You should redo this with human controls. By a weird coincidence, I have sufficient free time.

I can almost guarantee you that these models will underperform the market in the long run, because they are simply not designed for this purpose. LLMs are designed to simulate a conversation, not predict forward returns of a time series. What's more, most of the widely disseminated knowledge out there on the topic is effectively worthless, because there is an entire cottage industry of fake trading gurus and grifters, and the LLMs have no ability to separate actual information from the BS.

If you really wanted to do this, you would have to train specialist models - not LLMs - for trading, which is what firms are doing, but those are strictly proprietary.

The only other option would be to train an LLM on actually correct information and then see if it can design the specialist model itself, but most of the information you would need for that purpose is effectively hidden and not found in public sources. It is also entirely possible that these trading firms have already been trying this: using their proprietary knowledge and data to attempt to train a model that can act as a quant researcher.

> Grok ended up performing the best while DeepSeek came close to second.

I think you mean "DeepSeek came in a close second".

Cool experiment.

I have a PhD in capital markets research. It would be even more informative to report abnormal returns (market/factor-adjusted) so we can tell whether the LLMs generated true alpha rather than just loading on tech during a strong market.

I think it would be interesting to see how it goes in a scenario where the market declines or where tech companies underperform the rest of the market. In recent history they've outperformed the market and that might bias the choices that the LLMs make - would they continue with these positive biases if they were performing badly?

These are LLMs - next token guessers. They don't think at all and I suggest that you don't try to get rich quick with one!

LLMs are handy tools but no more. Even Qwen3-30B heavily quantised will do a passable effort of translating some Latin to English. It can whip up small games in a single prompt and much more and with care can deliver seriously decent results but so can my drill driver! That model only needs a £500 second hand GPU - that's impressive for me. Also GPT-OSS etc.

Yes, you can dive in with the bigger models that need serious hardware and they seem miraculous. A colleague had to recently "force" Claude to read some manuals until it realised it had made a mistake about something and frankly I think "it" was only saying it had made a mistake. I must ask said colleague to grab the reasoning and analyse it.

> But wanted to give everyone a way to see how these models think…

Think? What exactly did “it” think about?