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Comment by hearsathought

4 days ago

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Everything you say here is false. 1. Israel's stated goal is to neuter Hamas and return the hostages, not kill civilians. 2. Arabs speak a semitic language; the "semites" in "anti-semite" has always referred to Jews. 3. Jews, including white Ashkenazi European Jews, are levantine in origin. Their lineage traces to Judea. 4. "Antisemitic" means anti-Jew. You are using it to mean anti-Arab, but arabs are not semites 5. You did make all that up!

  • >Israel's stated goal is to neuter Hamas and return the hostages, not kill civilians

    Sure, yeah, just like it was in any number of previous operations, which at the time they declared successful, even though they did quite a bit more of the latter. Per Occam's razor, either they are prodigious bunglers, or you are overly credulous.

  • > 1. Israel's stated goal is to neuter Hamas and return the hostages, not kill civilians.

    And yet so many dead civilians. It's almost like a genocial terrorist country like israel always lie. Also, I was referring to israel's genocide of the semites in palestine to found "israel" up to present day. You conveniently forgot about it.

    > 2. Arabs speak a semitic language; the "semites" in "anti-semite" has always referred to Jews.

    Arabs are ethnic semites who speak a semitic language. "Israelis" are non-semitic europeans pretending to be "jews". Ethnic europeans are not semites and can never be semites because they come from an entire separate branch of the human family tree.

    > 3. Jews, including white Ashkenazi European Jews, are levantine in origin. Their lineage traces to Judea.

    No they do not. Maybe a handful.

    > 4. "Antisemitic" means anti-Jew.

    No it does not because semite doesn't mean "jew". A semite and a jew are two different things.

    > You are using it to mean anti-Arab, but arabs are not semites

    No. I'm using semite to mean semite. Arabs surely are semites. Europeans are not though.

    > 5. You did make all that up!

    If arabs are not semites, then what are they? You say arabs are not semites and I'm the liar? I'm making shit up?

    • 1. There aren't a lot of dead civilians given that this was a 2 year war fought in a built-up urban environment fought against a plainclothes terrorist enemy that violated every law of war, including using hospitals and schools as military bases.

      2. Semites is not an ethnicity, it's a language family, sorry. When used colloquially it has always referred to Jews.

      3. “Semitic” is a language group, not a racial caste. Jews—including Ashkenazi—have documented Middle Eastern ancestry, and about half of Israelis are Jews from the Middle East and North Africa. The idea that Israelis are “non-Semitic Europeans pretending to be Jews” is just antisemitic nonsense, not a serious factual claim.

      4. See above. Semitic is a language family, not a people. "Anti-semite" as a term has always meant "anti-Jew."

      5. Correct, Arabs are Arabian. You're not "making shit up" you're repeating evidence-free nonsense you want to be true without examining its validity.

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You literally do not understand antisemitism or semitic people or genetics or ethnic and national identity.

Israel's goal since the beginning was to exist, to be able to live. Antisemitism has literally never meant hatred against various semitic people such as Ethiopian semites or Assyrians it has always been a term to describe Jew hatred, coined by a German Jew hater. Also semitic is not a genetic thing, its a language thing and various identities tied to various semitic languages largely do not see it as a useful grouping. I have never heard of pan-semitic movement similar to pan Germanic or pan Slavic ones(those were not universally popular when they existed but they did exist and had some popularity). About half of Israeli Jews ancestors didn't recently live in Europe (and most of those had ancestors who lived elsewhere in MENA). Finally when it comes to genetics both Jews and Palestinians have substantial overlapping ancestry to the ancient Levant region as well as ancestry from outside of it, but that doesn't really change people's minds on ethnic identity and nationalism