Comment by james_marks

2 months ago

This is a key part of the AI love/hate flame war.

Very easy to write it off when it spins out on the open-ended problems, without seeing just how effective it can be once you zoom in.

Of course, zooming in that far gives back some of the promised gains.

Edit: typo

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james_marks

thewebguyd 2 months ago

> without seeing just how effective it can be once you zoom in.

The love/hate flame war continues because the LLM companies aren't selling you on this. The hype is all about "this tech will enable non-experts to do things they couldn't do before" not "this tech will help already existing experts with their specific niche," hence the disconnect between the sales hype and reality.

If OpenAI, Anthropic, Google, etc. were all honest and tempered their own hype and misleading marketing, I doubt there would even be a flame war. The marketing hype is "this will replace employees" without the required fine print of "this tool still needs to be operated by an expert in the field and not your average non technical manager."

hombre_fatal 2 months ago
The amount of GUIs I've vibe-coded works against your claim.
As we speak, my macOS menubar has an iStat Menus replacement, a Wispr Flow replacement (global hotkey for speech-to-text), and a logs visualizer for the `blocky` dns filtering program -- all of which I built without reading code aside from where I was curious.
It was so vibe-coded that there was no reason to use SwiftUI nor set them up in Xcode -- just AppKit Swift files compiled into macOS apps when I nix rebuild.
The only effort it required was the energy to QA the LLM's progress and tell it where to improve, maybe click and drag a screenshot into claude code chat if I'm feeling excessive.
Where do my 20 years of software dev experience fit into this except beyond imparting my aesthetic preferences?
In fact, insisting that you write code yourself is becoming a liability in an interesting way: you're going to make trade-offs for DX that the LLM doesn't have to make, like when you use Python or Electron when the LLM can bypass those abstractions that only exist for human brains.
- bopbopbop7 2 months ago
  
  You making a couple of small GUIs that could have been made with a drag and drop editor 10 years ago doesn't work against his claim as much as you think. You're just telling on your self and your "20 years" of supposed dev experience.
  
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- onethought 2 months ago
  
  Love that you are disagreeing with parent by saying you built software all on your own, and you only had 20 years software experience.
  Isn't that the point they are making?
  
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hombre_fatal 2 months ago

Go one level up:

    claude2() {
      claude "$(claude "Generate a prompt and TODO list that works towards this goal: <goal>$*</goal>" -p)"
    }

    $ claude2 pls give ranked ideas for make code better