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Comment by kfajdsl

2 days ago

It's a tool. The first time you used a shell you had to learn it. The first time you used a text editor you had to learn it.

You can learn how to use it, or you can put it down if you think it doesn't bring you any benefit.

I am sorry but what do I have to learn? That the tool does not work as advertised? That sometimes it will work as advertised, sometimes not? That it will sometimes expose critical secrets as plain text and some other time suggest to solve a problem in a function by removing the function code completely? What are you even talking about, comparing to shell and text editors? These are still bloody deterministic tools. You learn how they work and the usage does not change unpredictably every day! How can you learn something that does not have predictable outputs?

  • Yes, you have to learn those things. LLMs are hard to use.

    So are animals, but we've used dogs and falcons and truffle hunting pigs as tools for thousands of years.

    Non-deterministic tools are still tools, they just take a bunch more work to figure out.

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    • > So are animals, but we've used dogs and falcons and truffle hunting pigs as tools for thousands of years.

      Dogs learn their jobs way faster, more consistently and more expressively than any AI tool.

      Trivially, dogs understand "good dog" and "bad dog" for example.

      Reinforcement learning with AI tooling clearly seems not to work.

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    • No, please, stop misleading people Simon. People use tools to make things easier for them, not harder. And a tool which I cannot steer predictably is not a god damn tool at all! The sheer persistence the AI-promoters like you are willing to invest just to gaslight us all into thinking we were dumb and did not know how to use the shit-generators is really baffling. Understand that a lot of us are early adopters and we see this shit for what it is - the most serious mess up of the "Big Tech" since Zuckerberg burned 77B for his metaverse idiocy. By the way - animals are not tools. People do not use them - they engage with them as helpers, companions and for some people, even friends of sorts. Drop your LLM and try engaging with someone who has a hunting dog for example - they'd be quite surprised if you referred to their beloved retriever as a "tool". And you might learn something about a real intelligence.

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