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Comment by techblueberry

14 days ago

Not that like I think one should put too much stock in head lines. But "Wiping Out"

seems to translate to a 6.1% unemployment rate and 16.5% underemployment rate?

https://www.finalroundai.com/blog/computer-science-graduates...

I think the numbers you are arguing with here are for all employees, not just fresh graduates.

Blame the article for using suboptimal numbers, but the "wiping out" part is definitely justified when talking about jobs for graduates

  • When you see 6.1% unemployment for computer science new grads, that invariably comes from

    https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:...

    Computer Science is tied for fourth lowest underemployment and is the 7th highest unemployment... and is also the highest early career median wage.

    That needs to be compared to the underemployment chart https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:... and the unemployment chart https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/college-labor-market#--:... (and make sure to compare that with 2009).

    Computer science is not getting wiped out by AI. Entry level jobs exist, though people may need to reset their expectations (note that median job being $80k) from getting a $150k job out of college - that was always the exception rather than the average.

    There are average jobs out there that people with a "want to be on the coast and $150k" or "must be remote so I don't relocate" are thumbing their nose at.

    • I see people posting this all the time without mentioning that the page says "based on data from 2023." As someone who graduated in 2025, I can tell you that the market has changed significantly since then - Trump won election in 2024 and tariffs went into effect in 2025, for one.

  • It would be justified if AI were actually the cause, but this article does nothing to prove that. The only "tech jobs" that can even demonstrate direct replacement are call-center type roles. Everything else is just loosely blamed on AI, which is a convenient scapegoat as billions of dollars of investment are redirected from hiring to building data centers.

  • >I think the numbers you are arguing with here are for all employees, not just fresh graduates.

    If you click through to new york fed's website, the unemployment figures are 4.8% for "recent college graduates (aged 22-27)", 2.7% for all college graduates, and 4.0% for all workers. That's elevated, but hardly "wiping out".

The article refers to this article from May, which claims a 50% reduction in graduate tech hiring since pre-pandemic levels, 25% reduction since 2023

https://www.signalfire.com/blog/signalfire-state-of-talent-r...

  • The chart with that data is https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/6516123533d9510e36f3259c/...

    Starting at 2019 and saying "pre-pandemic levels" might be a bit disingenuous since that was a leap to a boom... and the bust we're seeing now.

    https://www.cbre.com/insights/articles/tech-boom-interrupted

        At $113B, 2019 was the third-highest year on record for VC deal volume.
        2019 had the second-highest volume of “mega rounds” ($100M deals or greater)–mega rounds represented 44% of total annual deal volume.
        Revenue grew by an average of 12.2% in 2019 and the total revenues of the tech giants was greater than the GDP of four of the G20 nations.
    

    Yes, tech hiring in 2025 is down from 2019. That's a lot like saying "tech hiring is down from 2000" in 2003.

    • Thanks for the context, but there hasn't been a general tech sector crash since 2019, so I don't think the 2000-03 comparison is apt.

      And while 2019 might have been third-highest year for investment in 2020, according to this it's been surpassed in 2021, 2022, and 2024

      https://kpmg.com/xx/en/media/press-releases/2025/01/2024-glo...

      So why have graduate hires continued to decline since 2023? It seems funds have been diverted from junior hiring into AI investments.

      However, as others have remarked, this might be a case of "AI is not taking your jobs, AI investment is taking your jobs"

      Junior hiring might pick up again once the spending spree is over