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Comment by isodev

1 day ago

It’s fascinating the kind of cool features we can have when products are made to be useful, with their target user in mind. Go EU!

I live in the EU and now traveling my family outside the EU. Today I’ve tried updating AltStore but it won’t let me. Even VPNing to my home won’t do it.

So until there will be more incentive to make it globally, the UX is intentionally crippled not only by making the minimal viable but also by region locking.

Imagine pairing headphones working great in EU and then you’re traveling somewhere and it’s broken.

  • This is the future of the internet. More and more countries have their local laws and international companies need to comply with local laws. This has been the case forever for companies selling products and (physical) services and some digital services restricting music and movie rights in certain countries, but it will expand to more and more services and apps in the future.

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Or it disincentivizes creating those features, if you must give it to your competitors.

  • That’s a rather silly view to take. We have a phenomenon called “the first mover advantage” for a reason.

    Plenty of other markets and businesses operate just fine while operating in an environment that makes protecting individual innovation functionally impossible. Just look at any related to fast fashion (not that I think the fast fashion market is a healthy phenomenon) or any commodities market. Or for that matter, most of the software industry.

    The incentive for creating features should be to remain relevant and competitive. It shouldn’t be to build moats and war chests.

  • Apple giving themselves an advantage in the markets for headphones and watches, because they have a dominant position in the market for phones is a textbook case of monopoly abuse.

    They've done extra work to cripple competing devices. It's obnoxious.

  • I would agree in general, but in this specific case it’s still an advantage for the iOS platform in general. It just removes a buying incentive for the AirPods.

    The general problem is that there must be a line.

    Vendors don’t create lock-ins because they are malicious, they create it because it makes them money.

    Now, if we limit these lock-ins, it will reduce their ability to make money and yes, it will impact some features - short term.

    But looking at it long terms, vendor lock-ins are actually a reason to stop innovating: your customers are locked in anyway.

    So, overall, I would say this is good for innovation in general.

    • I actually have a problem with this. I want AirPods to be undeniably the best experience for me because I am fully locked into the Apple ecosystem, and I know many folks have complaints against that. I find it to be rather pleasurable to use compared to all the other alternatives out there. So if I have to start sacrificing my experience in favor of universal support, that really sucks.

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  • Laws that mandate interoperability between devices are a net win for individual consumers and the market as a whole. They simplify people's lives, make society more efficient, prevent opportunities for blatant rent seeking and ultimately foster market productivity.

    A government mandating standards in electricity transmission or gasoline composition may disincentivize the development of features that make some people's devices incompatible with charging at certain locations or cars that can only use gas from certain gas stations but that is the opposite of a bad thing.

    We live in a much better world because people in the past decided that all telephones should be able to make calls to each other and that people don't really have to think about messing up putting fuel in their car because the size of the nozzles at pumps are standardized.

    There are absolutely more opportunities for governments to make small but objectively measurable improvements in society with well placed regulations on interoperability.

  • Isn't Apple currently disincentivized to make features because they don't even allow competing smartwatches to access a basic feature set on iPhone?

    You're basically saying Apple would be disincentivized to innovate on the Apple Watch because Apple would need to release the underlying APIs that make those work with the phone to competing solutions. But the status quo is that competing solutions that are already better than the Apple Watch straight up aren't allowed on the platform, and the Apple Watch generally costs more than its competitors.

    You are unintentionally saying that if Apple had to allow third parties to use their private APIs, that the Apple Watch would have to cost less and/or innovate more in order to convince us all to buy it instead of buying a watch from Samsung or Google.

    What you are describing is a more competitive and open market where consumers benefit from lower prices and more of an incentive to innovate and justify high prices.

    I would also dispute the notion that merely releasing these APIs would somehow give away all your secret sauce. Competitors still have to build the experience on top of that.

  • Bro, market is there to benefit consumer first, not to make money for shareholders.

    • That is what the "free market" was supposed to do, if you believe capitalist lore. Shareholders getting a cut was the side hustle.