Comment by dwoldrich
20 hours ago
They claim $1329.19 saved per taxpayer. https://www.doge.gov/savings
As long as we're in fiat, debt-based, race to the bottom, universally-enshittificate mode, that's a big ol' fart nothingburger. Call me when the Fed ends.
Doge dealt well-deserved shocks to the comfy bureaucracy and revealed corruption in the NGO's. The bureaucracy, the military/IC, the media, the banksters, the bought and paid for reps - it's all one of a piece. Doge helped a lot of people come to that conclusion, so that's helpful. I think Trump's people are all acting to mask whatever they're really doing anyhow. It's absurd WWF kayfabe nonstop and has been for years.
Why would you believe any numbers coming out of DOGE? The entire article is about their clear lies about their own numbers. Posting a number from the DOGE website and believing it is not rational behavior.
Further, there is nothing that will make the US poorer than ending the Fed or fiat money. The US has blown past all other economies in the world because of fiat money and its special status.
> revealed corruption in the NGO's.
No, it absolutely did not. DOGE revealed the corruption of DOGE. It's all political corruption, eliminating the regulators for Musk's empire, cover it up with lies about other things.
> Doge helped a lot of people come to that conclusion, so that's helpful.
The only thing that DOGE convinced people of is that Musk is a fraud. Nobody lost trust in the government because of anything Musk did, nobody thought "Oh I used to think that USAID was good, now I think it's bad!" Musk's popularity has hit rock-bottom, he has ruined some of the most valuable consumer brands in the world.
It's odd to see so many words that are directly contradicted by plain reality. One must be in a very very very deep information bubble to see your post
> It's all political corruption, eliminating the regulators for Musk's empire, cover it up with lies about other things.
I just don't see the world this way, and I don't think my being argumentative about it is healthy for either of us.
> deep information bubble
The same could be said for you. You've left very little room for nuance.
I am not a direct investor in any of his businesses, and my opinions are my own. Musk was and is the largest military contractor, bought and paid for. He's a genius marketer, autistic, and gets his hands dirty on projects technically. He's not an idiot and he is socially awkward. I believe whatever big projects Musk starts are at the urging and partly the direction of the US military.
It seems clear (to me) that Musk is crushing it in most of his businesses. It's clear (to me) that the on again, off again relationship he has with the Trump administration was just pro wrestling kayfabe. It is impossible for me to impute motives to Musk, he says pro-human things and he works (potentially) very anti-human projects. I am apprehensive about everything he has his paws in.
My worldview is to pursue truth above all else. If that results in arguments, fine, it's a price I'm willing to pay for honesty and reality!
If there was nuance, please provide it. I don't see any in your comment at all, but I dos see lots of generalizations and a very narrow take on the world and where wealth comes from.
I would love nothing more than to improve my world view through argumentation, but that requires providing facts rather than trafficking in the falsehoods of others, like those of DOGE.
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> The same could be said for you. You've left very little room for nuance.
That's because not every issue has room for nuance. There's no nuance that the sky is blue, or pigs cannot fly. That's just... that.
Musk is a conman and liar, proven so many times that, even if you choose to close your ears, that reality is undeniable. Obviously, we have to conclude that Doge was a scam. There's no other interpretation that makes any sense.
i wouldn't consider his longtermism thinking as pro-human. instead its very inhumane and detached from humans
Where are the prosecutions? Where are the announced investigations into this corruption? They don't exist because the found 'fraud' doesn't exist.
I agree fully on the prosecutions. It's long since time for scoundrels to be frog marched off to jail.
I am of the opinion that there was corruption (waste and fraud and abuse) in pre-doge government. If you think everyone was clean and good, well ... I disagree.
IMO, post-doge things are "better" only because we saw some of the inside of the sausage factory. Nothing got materially any better.
The frog marching should start at the top.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/05/09/trump-oil...
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Pray tell, what corruption did DOGE reveal in the NGOs?
Here's one of the big public hearings in the aftermath. D's got their digs in if that helps encourage you to watch.
https://oversight.house.gov/hearing/public-funds-private-age...
I'm not willing to spend my time watching your video. Summarize, please: how many corrupt people were uncovered and convicted due to DOGE's groundbreaking work?
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> Doge dealt well-deserved shocks to the comfy bureaucracy and revealed corruption in the NGO's
Ah, the classic “let’s hurt others because we don’t understand them” routine.
Ever heard of Bullshit Jobs? It describes most of the private sector - maybe look inward rather than outward?