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Comment by alimw

3 hours ago

This is what I read in your comment: that Trump "forced NATO to increase military spending to 5% of GDP". Are you talking about the US there? No, tautologically, you are talking about those parts of NATO that Trump forced to increase military spending to 5% of GDP. So what is controversial about my observation that you used the term NATO to stand for a NATO without the US?

My point was that by doing so you yourself add weight (a very little weight) to the thesis of the grandparent that, at least in people's perceptions, the US has left NATO. It wasn't just a nitpick, but at the same time I did not intend to join this side or that side in some mad argument that is playing out in your mind. I freely admit that at this point I am not reading all your output.

Yes the US is forced to meet the 5% target, as it is a part of NATO. What is your point?

Trump is the person who demanded the 5% target; Trump forced NATO to adopt a 5% target.

Trump also ordered ICE to deport more illegal / undocumented migrants, does this suggest that ICE is not a part of the US?

Trump forced the US to impose sanctions, does this suggest the US is not a part of the US?

How else would you phrase "Trump forced organisation x to do y"?