“Worse” is fully dependant on what you’re looking to get out of a product. I consider anything Google/Meta to be about as bad as it gets because I disagree with their business practices and value my privacy.
They moved from platform USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy.
That's a big deal to some of us.
Especially important it the demonstration that your privacy which Google et al, are so insistent on monetizing, does not mean they are charging you less for the same services that other companies can charge when you are paying only with your money, not your privacy as well.
> USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy.
I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control, and the latest news is that they're still trying / succeeding on some fronts. Please don't reduce such complicated matters to red vs. blue, it's really more complicated and there are no easy solutions anywhere.
> I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control,
Strange to compare "scares" with a business model that's 20 years old now. Sure the EU is far from perfect but it's like comparing a well known problem to a potential one. One is bad, the other might sucks. It's definitely not equivalent.
> I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control,
Chat control is an EU thing. The article is about a move to Proton which is Swiss and therefore outside the EU and not directly affected by chat control or other EU laws. Of course the EU might make it illegal for them to supply their services to EU countries, but then no platform anywhere can avoid that problem.
On the whole EU govt surveillance (assuming you live in the EU) is better than EU govt surveillance plus US govt surveillance plus big tech surveillance.
That's a choice. But it's not everyone's choice. And with <waves hands wildly around>, the non-USA choice is rapidly becoming more popular - at least among the people I know and talk to outside the US.
> They moved from platform USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy
I see, the EU propaganda shows effect. Of course a proponent of the non-elected regime doesn't mind the illegal "chat control" and censorship of any wrongthink facilitated by the Digital Services Act.
Care to elaborate how chat control came into effect?
Last time I checked, it was always rejected, no matter how they reforrmed it. The EU is not one voice, it will always have different opinions. What matters is what's actually voted into law, chat control tried multiple times and it never was.
Also, would you be so kind as to share those wrongthinking related with DSA?
So we an focus on improving things and not bashing on them.
And platform B is basically a worse version of everything than platform A.
I admire the motivation though
“Worse” is fully dependant on what you’re looking to get out of a product. I consider anything Google/Meta to be about as bad as it gets because I disagree with their business practices and value my privacy.
“Worse” has a defined meaning and they’re right. Proton stuff doesn’t hold a candle to the level of polish of Google.
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Care to elaborate?
They moved from platform USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy.
That's a big deal to some of us.
Especially important it the demonstration that your privacy which Google et al, are so insistent on monetizing, does not mean they are charging you less for the same services that other companies can charge when you are paying only with your money, not your privacy as well.
> USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy.
I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control, and the latest news is that they're still trying / succeeding on some fronts. Please don't reduce such complicated matters to red vs. blue, it's really more complicated and there are no easy solutions anywhere.
> I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control,
Strange to compare "scares" with a business model that's 20 years old now. Sure the EU is far from perfect but it's like comparing a well known problem to a potential one. One is bad, the other might sucks. It's definitely not equivalent.
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> I laughed at this, as an european. I mean just this year we've had like 3 scares with chat control,
Chat control is an EU thing. The article is about a move to Proton which is Swiss and therefore outside the EU and not directly affected by chat control or other EU laws. Of course the EU might make it illegal for them to supply their services to EU countries, but then no platform anywhere can avoid that problem.
On the whole EU govt surveillance (assuming you live in the EU) is better than EU govt surveillance plus US govt surveillance plus big tech surveillance.
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I mean I don't think anyone seriously thinks the USA doesn't have access to all the EU data.
That's a bold claim, are you implying that encryption is a scam?
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I do. I think many do.
I'd rather Google have my data than the EU
That's a choice. But it's not everyone's choice. And with <waves hands wildly around>, the non-USA choice is rapidly becoming more popular - at least among the people I know and talk to outside the US.
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Is this new “I’d rather have Chinese my data than US”?
> They moved from platform USA/Surveillance-Capitalism to platform non-USA/Privacy
I see, the EU propaganda shows effect. Of course a proponent of the non-elected regime doesn't mind the illegal "chat control" and censorship of any wrongthink facilitated by the Digital Services Act.
Care to elaborate how chat control came into effect?
Last time I checked, it was always rejected, no matter how they reforrmed it. The EU is not one voice, it will always have different opinions. What matters is what's actually voted into law, chat control tried multiple times and it never was.
Also, would you be so kind as to share those wrongthinking related with DSA?
So we an focus on improving things and not bashing on them.