Comment by mrtksn
17 hours ago
> Imagine building a house from scratch
Thats why those Engineering fields have strict rules, often require formal education and someone can even end up in prison if screws up badly enough.
Software is so much easier and safer, till very recently anonymous engineering was the norm and people are very annoyed with Apple pushing for signing off the resulting product.
Highly paid software engineers across the board must have been an anomaly that is ending now. Maybe in the future only those who code actually novel solutions or high risk software will be paid very well - just like engineers in the other fields.
> people are very annoyed with Apple pushing for signing off the resulting product.
Apple is very much welcome to push for signing off of software that appears on their own store. That is nothing new.
What people are annoyed about is Apple insisting that you can only use their store, a restriction that has nothing to do with safety or quality and everything to do with the stupendous amounts of money they make from it.
It's literally the case of Apple requiring signing the binary to run on the platforms they provide, Apple doesn't have say on other platforms. It is a very similar situation with local governments.
Also, people complain all the time about rules and regulations for making stuff. Especially in EU, you can't just create products however you like and let people decide if it is safe to use, you are required to make your products to meet certain criteria and avoid use certain chemicals and methods, you are required to certify certain things and you can't be anonymous. If you are making and selling cupcakes for example and if something goes wrong you will be held responsible. Not only when things go wrong, often local governments will do inspections before letting you start making the cupcakes and every now and then they can check you out.
Software appears to be headed to that direction. Of course du to the nature of software probably wouldn't be exactly like that but IMHO it is very likely that at least having someone responsible for the things a software does will become the norm.
Maybe in the future if your software leaks sensitive information for example, you may end up being investigated and fined if not following best practices that can be determined by some institute etc.
> Maybe in the future if your software leaks sensitive information for example, you may end up being investigated and fined
This is already the case in the UK, and the EU too as far as I’m aware.
...but the EU is one of the entities forcing Apple to allow other stores.
It turns out that Apple is not, in fact, the government.
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> Apple is very much welcome to push for signing off of software that appears on their own store.
Just to be clear, apps have to be notarized/signed to run on an Apple device. For macOS, notorized apps aren't required to be distributed in the App Store. Due to sandbox restrictions, some dev tools are distributed independently.
Or there are two versions: a less capable version for the App Store and a more capable version distributed independently.
Software developers being paid well is result of demand, not be cause it's very hard.
Skill and strictness required is only vaguely related to pay, if there is enough people for the job it won't pay amazing, regardless on how hard it is.
> Software is so much easier and safer, till very recently anonymous engineering was the norm and people are very annoyed with Apple pushing for signing off the resulting product.
that has nothing to do with engineering quality, that is just to make it harder to go around their ecosystem (and skip paying the shop fee). With additional benefit of signed package being harder to attack. You can still deliver absolute slop, but the slop will be from you, not the middleman that captured the delivery process