Comment by guessmyname
1 day ago
I work for a big company (Apple) but I have no idea who Frank is, nor how to sponsor them; and even if I knew them and how to sponsor them, the money would come directly from my pocket instead of Apple’s banking account.
From the article:
The "sponsoring it" links to https://opencollective.com/libsodium/contribute
Hope that helps.
Frank does great work that is critical to many businesses, and should get funded to do it professionally.
However, donating money to an open collective is prohibitively hard for most big companies. Maybe the world should be different (or maybe not, since it would be easy for employees to embezzle money if they could direct donations easily), but that's how it works currently.
AFAICT, there is also no fiscal sponsor, so the donation matching suggested in a sister comment won't apply.
This is why Geomys (https://geomys.org) works the way it does, and why it has revenue (ignoring the FIPS and tlog sides of the business) which is 30-50x of some GitHub Sponsors "success stories": we bill in a way that's compatible with how companies do business, even if effectively we provide a similar service (which is 95% focused on upstream maintenance, not customer support).
I am not saying it's for everyone, or that Frank should necessarily adopt this model, or that it's the only way (e.g. the Zig foundation raises real amounts of money, too), but I find it frustrating to see over and over again the same conversation:
- "Alice does important maintenance work, she should get professionally funded for it!"
- "How does Alice accept/request funding?"
- "Monthly credit card transactions anchored at $100/mo that are labeled donations"
- no business can move professional amounts of money that way
- "Businesses are so short-sighted, it's a tragedy of the commons!"
Anyone who solicits donations should also sell overpriced books of some sort, because it’s often very easy to get even a $500 book approved as an expense where a $5 “donation” causes hell.
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> However, donating money to an open collective is prohibitively hard for most big companies.
You are absolutely correct. However, that's the mechanism that Frank has made available, and that's what the comment I was replying to was asking, so I was just connecting the dots between the question and answer.
Given the increasing obviousness that there's functionally no oversight of NGOs and government funding, perhaps we just need some NGOs and get government grants for these critical services.
While it might be frustrating to see non-viable options presented as ways to fund critical FOSS, it's even more frustrating to see blame effectively being placed on the maintainer; particularly because, if companies like Apple really wanted to fund this work, I'm pretty sure they could figure something out.
Anyway, looking at the model you propose, it seems like the main difference is that Frank just doesn't explicitly say "you can retain my services"? Is that all that's stopping Apple from contacting him and arranging a contract?
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If you donate via GitHub Sponsors to https://github.com/jedisct1 from an individual / personal account GitHub won't take a cut (or pays for it from their own purse) for any credit card processing fees.
Maybe you don't know this but Apple has a donation-matching program. If you make donations to non-profits through some special internal mechanism, the company will send a donation of equal value (up to some limit). If I recall correctly the limit is 30K USD per person.
Do you have any links or more info about the special internal mechanism? Would need an apple employee to initiate this I assume?
"When you give money to an eligible organization, we’ll match your donations one-for-one, so your $1 has the impact of $2. And if you choose to donate your time, we’ll contribute $25 for every hour you volunteer. Whether you donate time or money, Apple will match your contributions up to $10,000 a year."
https://www.apple.com/careers/us/life-at-apple/benefits.html
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Any non-profit, or just charitable non-profits (aka 501(c)(3))? Unfortunately, the US does not consider producing open source software to be charitable activity.
It can. There are a number of charitable foundations that support open aource. For example the Python Foundation.
But it is on a case by case basis, and it does take work to get the IRS to accept it.
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