Comment by JumpCrisscross

> It sounds like they both suck

They both suck and they both have legitimate grievances.

They’re also both proxies on like four major axes (Iran vs Saudi Arabia, America vs Russia, America vs China and whatever Turkey is up to) and more minor axes than I’ve seen anyone even bother keeping track of.

It’s a deep and deeply fucked conflict that doesn’t lend well to armchair border drawing from an ocean away from first principles.