Comment by ctoth
7 hours ago
> If we don't have the political will to reduce the amount going into the air then what makes anyone think we would have the political will to build out some system to capture and sequester?
Because political will requires coordination, building systems and turning them on doesn't have to!
> We need to focus more on not putting CO2 into the air and less on trying to take it out.
What part of the "we" in this coordination problem doesn't require political will?
The implicit model in "just emit less" is that human coordination problems are easier than engineering problems. That's historically backwards. We're extremely good at building things. We're terrible at getting everyone to sacrifice simultaneously for diffuse future benefits. Please generalize this!
Covid proved this generalisation is not a truism.
USofA was probably the only place that actively resisted the global effort.
I think people do want a better world. Greed is not universal. Most countries that grow a middle class find most people prefer to stop work. I.e. there are not that many infinitely greedy humans. And they can be taxed.
Despite neocon economic theory, most people aren't selfish. And those that are, are often happily rewarded with a plaque in their honor or a medal.
Just look at the length Trump goes to for an award.
COVID didn’t cost anyone anything in terms of improved standard of living. Curbing emissions growth would do that.
People aren’t “greedy,” but my family in Bangladesh absolutely wants to live like my family in America, or at the very least like my family in Canada. They don’t consider that “greedy” and if you tell them it is they’ll laugh at you.
The country’s CO2 emissions per person have increased by a factor of 5x since we left in 1989, consistent with per capita GDP going up by 10x. Even on an efficient development path it’s going to go up another 5x in order to increase the country’s GDP per capita another 10x, which will put it at the level of a poor eastern european country like Hungary or Croatia. That’s the earliest anyone is even going to listen to you about CO2 reduction.
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> USofA was probably the only place that actively resisted the global effort.
Really? China, Indonesia, Iran, South Korea, Italy, UK, Brazil, Tanzania, North Korea, etc.?
Making the COVID response sound like one global cooperative endeavor is some serious retcon'ing.
The is one trick that doesn't require political will. If you can make the microeconomics work it can be made to scale it self.
E.G. Make CO2 extraction so cheap it's worth everyone doing it and say, make a market to sell the CO2 to farmers. Then make burying inedible bits of plants so cheap it's done on a large scale.
Then you just wait. Microeconomics takes over.
They did this with plastic clean up. By building a machine that makes plastic into fuel & construction pellets. Then stuck such a machine on a plastic poluted island and waited.
For this trick. All you require from your políticans is that they don't lie or bomb the place.
Buried plants make methane…