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Comment by kachapopopow

4 hours ago

I see anything that reduces the relience on vendor lock-in I upvote. Hopefully cloud services see mass exodus so they have to have reasonable pricing that actually reflects their costs instead of charging more than free for basic services like NAT.

Cloud services are actually really nice and convenient if you were to ignore the eye watering cost versus DIY.

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rozenmd  3 hours ago

Probably worth pointing out that the Cloudflare Workers runtime is already open source: https://github.com/cloudflare/workerd

  • max_lt  3 hours ago

    True, workerd is open source. But the bindings (KV, R2, D1, Queues, etc.) aren't – they're Cloudflare's proprietary services. OpenWorkers includes open source bindings you can self-host.

    • buremba  3 hours ago

      I tried to run it locally some time ago, but it's buggy as hell when self-hosted. It's not even worth trying out given that CF itself doesn't suggest it.

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geek_at  4 hours ago

I'm worrying that the increasing ram prices will drive more people away from local and more to cloud services because if the big companies are buying up all the resources it might not be feasible to self host in a few years

  • kachapopopow  4 hours ago

    the pricing is so insane it will always be cheaper to self host by 100x, that's how bad it is.

    • dijit  3 hours ago

      not 100x.

      10% is the number I ordinarily see, counting for members of staff and adequate DR systems.

      If we had paid our IT teams half of what we pay a cloud provider, we would have had better internal processes.

      Instead we starved them and the cloud providers successfully weaponised extremely short term thinking against us, now barely anyone has the competence to actually manifest those cost benefits without serious instability.

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    • Imustaskforhelp  3 hours ago

      Wait what? can you show me some sources to back this up? I assume you are exaggerating but still, what would be the definition of cheap is interesting to know.

      I don't think after the fact that ram prices spiked 4-5x that its gonna be cheaper to self host by 100x, Like hetzner's or ovh's cloud offerings are cheap

      Plus you have to put a lot of money and then still pay for something like colocation if you are competing with them

      Even if you aren't, I think that the models are different. They are models of monthly subscription whereas in hardware, you have to purchase it.

      It would be interesting tho to compare hardware-as-a-service or similar as well but I don't know if I see them for individual stuff.

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re-thc  3 hours ago

> so they have to have reasonable pricing that actually reflects their costs instead of charging more than free for basic services like NAT

How is the cost of NAT free?

> Cloud services are actually really nice and convenient if you were to ignore the eye watering cost versus DIY.

I don't doubt clouds are expensive, but in many countries it'd cost more to DIY for a proper business. Running a service isn't just running the install command. Having a team to maintain and monitor services is already expensive.

  • kachapopopow  1 hour ago

    salesforce had their hosting bill jump orders of magnitude after ditching their colocation, it did not save anything and colocation staff were replaced with AWS engineers

    nat is free to provide because the infrastructure to have NAT is already there and there is never anything maxing out a switch cluster(most switches sit at ~1% usage since they're overspeced $1,000,000 switches), so other than host CPU time managing interrupts (which is unlikely since all network cards offload this).

    sure you could argue that regional NAT might should be priced, but these companies have so much fiber between their datacenters that all of nat usage is probably a rounding error.