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Comment by recroad

11 hours ago

Country A is resisting a 75 year violent occupation and apartheid (see stats posted earlier) and currently suffering genocide. Anyone denying that is no different than anyone denying the holocaust - equally vile and reprehensible. But everyone somehow seems to conveniently forget that part. Don't take my word for it, list of apartheid and genocide reports below.

The reason this doesn't make the discourse, even on communities like Hacker News which are supposed to be "smart", is because of decades of the West being brainwashed to the point where Islamophobia is normalized and ubiquitous.

Genocide accusations:

- Amnesty International - https://zeteo.com/p/amnesty-concludes-israel-genocide-gaza

- Human Rights Watch - https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/12/19/israels-crime-exterminat...

- Médecins Sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) - https://msf.org.uk/issues/gaza-genocide

- University Network for Human Rights - https://www.humanrightsnetwork.org/projects/genocide-in-gaza

- B'Tselem - https://zeteo.com/p/israeli-human-rights-group-says-israel

- Al-Haq - https://www.alhaq.org/publications/25781.html

- Palestinian Centre for Human Rights - https://pchrgaza.org/category/genocide-against-gaza/

- Physicians for Human Rights - Israel

- United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied - Palestinian Territory - https://zeteo.com/p/united-nations-un-gaza-genocide-israel

- The International Association of Genocide Scholars - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/01/israel-committ...

Apartheid accusations:

- Amnesty International - https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/03/israel-opt-is...

- Human Rights Watch - https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra...

- B'Tselem - https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is...

- Al-Haq - https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/16183.html

- Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR) - https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/16183.html

- Al Mezan Centre for Human Rights - https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/19761.html

- Addameer Prisoner Support and Human Rights Association - https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/20931.html

- UN Special Rapporteur Michael Lynk - https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/israels-55-y...

- UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) - https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/16324.html

- Human Sciences Research Council of South Africa - https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/7207.html

- International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH) - Referenced in multiple coalition statements

- BADIL Resource Center - https://badil.org/press-releases/592.html

- Cairo Institute for Human Rights Studies (CIHRS) - https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/17012.html

- Palestinian Coalition of 8 Organizations - https://www.alhaq.org/advocacy/20931.html

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jameshilliard  5 hours ago

> Country A is resisting a 75 year violent occupation and apartheid (see stats posted earlier) and currently suffering genocide.

Apartheid is race based discrimination, not citizenship based like what happens in Israel/Palestine. Making an accusation of genocide does not mean there actually is a genocide.

> Anyone denying that is no different than anyone denying the holocaust - equally vile and reprehensible.

Comparing the holocaust(an actual genocide) as something "equally vile and reprehensible" to the situation in Israel/Palestine is equivalent to a form of holocaust denial IMO.

Claims like these are a rather overt display of antisemitic propaganda.[0]

> Don't take my word for it, list of apartheid and genocide reports below.

There is a long list of organizations that have thrown away their credibility with dubious accusations for various reasons.

> The reason this doesn't make the discourse, even on communities like Hacker News which are supposed to be "smart", is because of decades of the West being brainwashed to the point where Islamophobia is normalized and ubiquitous.

It seems you're trying to downplay the very real threat from Islamic extremists that Israel faces.

[0] https://www.ajc.org/news/the-gaza-auschwitz-comparison-a-mor...

  • recroad  4 hours ago

    How about you and I stay out of it and let international organizations whose job it is to monitor this have their say? Are you ok with that? You trust Amnesty and the UN?

    The sign of a brainwashed person is to equate this occupation with Islamic terrorism. Unfortunately, you have fallen to propaganda by even bringing that up. Jews and Muslims have lived together peacefully for hundreds of years prior to 1948. There has been nothing but respect between those two religions going back for as long as one can remember. The change is Zionism. That’s what the problem is, not radical Islam or radical Judaism. Zionism != Judaism.

    • jameshilliard  4 hours ago

      > How about you and I stay out of it and let international organizations whose job it is to monitor this have their say? Are you ok with that?

      Why would I blindly trust the conclusions of "international organizations"? Especially ones that have shown themselves to have very little integrity?

      > You trust Amnesty and the UN?

      The same Amnesty international that has shown to have serious issues with bias across multiple conflicts?[0][1]

      The same UN which has thrown away essentially all of their credibility when it comes to anything related to Israel?[2]

      Obviously I would never blindly trust these organizations.

      > The sign of a brainwashed person is to equate this occupation with Islamic terrorism.

      There is an occupation because the Palestinians have refused to negotiate a final peace agreement, Israel clearly can not unilaterally end the occupation as they did in 2005 with Gaza and expect a positive outcome.

      > Jews and Muslims have lived together peacefully for hundreds of years prior to 1948.

      Where have they lived together peacefully as equals for hundreds of years prior to 1948?

      > There has been nothing but respect between those two religions going back for as long as one can remember.

      There's a long history of conflict between Jews and Muslims throughout the years, obviously in recent years it has been worse in a lot of ways.[3][4]

      > The change is Zionism. That’s what the problem is, not radical Islam or radical Judaism. Zionism != Judaism.

      So Jews wanting to have a state where they wouldn't have to live as second class citizens[5] and have a right to self determination was the problem? Why would it be so hard for Muslims to accept the existence of a Jewish majority state when there are plenty of Muslim majority states?

      After the holocaust it's entirely reasonable that Jews would reject being forced to live as a minority in a Muslim majority state.

      [0] https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/28/amnesty-intern...

      [1] https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/03/ngos-anti-...

      [2] https://unwatch.org/2025-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-...

      [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1517_Hebron_attacks

      [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1834_looting_of_Safed

      [5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

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LorenPechtel  10 hours ago

Gobbels.

Repeating it a hundred times doesn't make it true.

And the brainwashing is about normalizing antisemitism. The term "islamophobia" is the equivalent of playing the race card. We aren't afraid of Muslims, we are afraid of the radicals that will use their money to cause great trouble as a route to power.

Fundamentally, you are allowing them to use dead Palestinians as weapons against Israel. That which works is rewarded--by believing the propaganda you are encouraging the killing of Palestinians.

And if you actually care about genocide why blame Israel when the real genocides are going on in Africa? Is it perhaps because the initiators of all of the ongoing genocides are Iranian-backed Islamist forces?

  • FrinkleFrankle  9 hours ago

    You know, both sides can be bad. They're both led by bad people who do bad things and some good things. I've watched the Oct 10th attack videos. They're horrific. I've also watched the videos of civilian buildings in Palestine being have their roofs "knocked on" by a missile, followed shortly after by demolition by additional missiles.. And the Israeli solders dropping grenades on tents.. And the firsthand accounts of doctors talking of children and infants being shot through the head with sniper rounds.

    Both country's governments are in the wrong and their civilians are suffering because of it.

    • hersko  7 hours ago

      It's insane to compare Hamas and how they treat their citizens with Israel. Can you name a single thing Hamas has done to mitigate its civilian casualties?

eli_gottlieb  10 hours ago

You don't get to "resist" your neighbors existence because you want to claim their territory for yourself.