Comment by tokai
9 hours ago
Sweden is not a society were trust has broken down. Neither is Germany. Maybe the Netherlands can be argued to have a breaking down of trust. Go look at actual data, and don't rely on racist internet memes to form your arguments.
In neighboring Denmark, where they do gather and publish crime stats by the country of perp's origin, it turns out that some people (like Somalis) have up to 10 times more criminal convictions than the country baseline.
https://x.com/jonatanpallesen/status/1993654135917257214/pho...
One would have to be crazy in order to extend exactly the same trust towards a random Danish Dane vs. a random Somali Dane.
Not every negative statement about non-white people is rooted in racism, and the ugly, fanatical attitude "everyone who has a negative observation about any sort of immigrants must be racist, stupid and evil" is what upended the political spectrum and brought the far right to power in many places.
I said where this trust has broken down _or is breaking down_ - the latter is what is happening in the mentioned countries.
First answer and you directly go to 'racism', that's a rather poor effort. Put some more thought into your replies if you want to be taken seriously.
I know you said or is breaking down. I'm telling you that its only for Netherlands you can argue a drop in trust. I'm sorry that you take the racist label as an insult. But the Sweden has fallen talking point is a racist lie, so don't perpetuate it if you don't want to be called out on it. Again I invite you to look at data on trust, and stop making stuff up.
I'm from Holland and I certainly think it has fallen. Not to immigrants but to fascists :( :(
I moved to the Netherlands a couple years ago and it seems pretty nice, curious what evidence there is trust has dropped.
The government’s appalling failure wrt housing seems like a pretty valid reason for young people to distrust institutions tbh.
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Why do you think AfD is close to becoming the biggest party in Germany, why is (or was?) Wilders big in the Netherlands, why is Sverigedemokraterna close to becoming the biggest party in Sweden? Do you think suddenly 25% of the population of these countries has turned rabidly racist?
That 'racism' word has lost its meaning due to severe overuse, find another argument. As to finding 'data', that is easy enough if you ask people around you. I live in Sweden and I hear this every day, everywhere, both in the countryside where I live as well as in the more urbanised areas on the west coast where I work and where my daughter goes to school.
If you want to get a bit closer to the actual truth than your knee-jerk 'racism' accusation you should look into the clash of cultures - not races - which lies at the bottom of these problems. Go and speak to people from low-trust societies as well as those from high-trust societies and ask them where they put their trust, how they think about their neighbours - not just the ones in the house next door but also those in other areas.