Comment by cosmicgadget
4 days ago
We won't know for a while but I don't imagine there will be mass civilian graves, abducted children, or the intent to annex the country. This is probably more about oil and deposing Maduro.
4 days ago
We won't know for a while but I don't imagine there will be mass civilian graves, abducted children, or the intent to annex the country. This is probably more about oil and deposing Maduro.
"This is more about oil and deposing Maduro." Scary how overt these 'operations' are these days. 50 years ago governments would try hide stuff like this. Someone said 'lack of shame' is very concerning with governments of today. Wonder if this is a reflection of where we as a humanity are heading.
> 50 years ago governments would try hide stuff like this
The Cold War was openly about changing governments.
> This is probably more about oil and deposing Maduro.
Correct.
"This isn't about conquering Ukraine, it's about coal and removing Nazi Żeleński from power"
I wasn't paraphrasing Trump but rather speculating about his actual intentions.
I know, not disagreeing with you on that. I felt though it's important to add that too though.
Putin has always been very clear about conquering Ukraine and eliminating anything Ukrainian, including its statehood. Tons of public writing, won't shut up about his fake history of the region, etc. Putin is as clear about his intentions as Hitler was about his intentions.
Could you point to some sources please? Every time I see Putin talk on Ukraine, he clearly expresses the very opposite, so I'd like to see where he's said otherwise.
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> We have ethnic cleansing at home
We really do not. And if we want to keep it that way, blurring the lines with this term is something we absolutely should not do like this.
But it is being proposed. What do you think Elon is doing when he tweets support for remigration (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remigration), which is literally ethnic cleansing? Or when the DHS posts memes in public proposing to deport 100 million people (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dhs-100-million-deportations-...)? These are acts of ethnic cleansing being normalized before it actually happens. Let’s not ignore it. Instead, let’s vote out every single GOP politician that supports this or stays silent about it.
How well would you say it has been working out so far, to steelman Republican policies and attempt to find common ground and compromise? Personally I was doing so up until ~June of 2020 and all I really got for it was a lot of grief with still no recognition that I understand and care about many of the things they claim to care about. And society wide? Well, here we are.
> > We have ethnic cleansing at home
> We really do not. And if we want to keep it that way, blurring the lines with this term is something we absolutely should not do like this.
We really do, and if we want not to, we need to address it rather than denying it.
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