Comment by BoredPositron
4 days ago
So the USA is officially a roque state internally and externally and was brought down by its very own law and order party. Poetic.
4 days ago
So the USA is officially a roque state internally and externally and was brought down by its very own law and order party. Poetic.
Considering the former state AG lost the election to the felon facing two open-and-shut federal cases, I think the "law and order" label has to be retired.
On the plus side, nothing here is permanent, this guy is out in just over three years. How much more damage could he possibly do?
You really believe he will be out in three years?
There's only one way he'll be out, and voting will not be part of that
I do. Pretty certain he only ran to avoid being convicted in the Jan 6 and classified documents cases. Now he can pardon himself and even if the next DOJ prosecutes he can run out the clock.
Why do you think he will try to stay in office? Cause he said he might?
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An awful lot.
> USA is officially a roque state internally and externally
All of the great powers are. So are most of the regional powers. It's basically the EU and Brazil hanging on to the old rules-based international order.
Never thought that whataboutism was going to be the coping mechanism.
It’s not a coping mechanism, it’s a reality-facing mechanism. What happens here and how the world responds both provides insight and will be a huge input into whether and how Xi Jinping decides to invade Taiwan.
> Never thought that whataboutism was going to be the coping mechanism
Not a coping mechanism and definitely not an excuse. Just a statement of reality. This doesn't make America special. America at least sometimes trying to uphold that system is what used to make it special. Now we're back to spheres-of-influence realpolitik.
Here in middle Europe the rumble is that it is time to BDS the United States. I hear this everywhere, on the streets, at parties, at work.
I guess it’s the only way the American people will get a grip, if the rest of the world starts punishing the US and its allies economically.
It’s going to be bumpy if/when it happens, but does anyone see any other way to reign in the warmongers? What say you, Americans? You are, after all, the only effective mechanism by which your own war mongers can be brought to justice. Everything else is doom.
> rumble is that it is time to BDS the United States
I doubt Europe’s fondness for self-flagellation goes that far.
Maybe its ruling class aren’t into it, but the people are pissed and have definitely had enough of the US’ shit. They’ve also had enough of the EU’s shit too, incidentally.
I would say we are not a Democracy and it doesn't matter who we vote for. I think it will take a full on dollar collapse to end it, and I think Washington would sacrifice every one of us to not lose grip on power.
Perhaps Venezuela is just a reaction to the action that is already happening, namely a world-wide concerted effort to abandon the petrodollar…
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you ready to BDS all computers, good chunk of phones and a bunch of other tech ?
You ready to hunt for your loved ones under burning piles of rubble?
Nobody is going to be buying iPhones during a world war. Yes, Europeans will stop buying American stuff. It has already started to happen.
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> I guess it’s the only way the American people will get a grip, if the rest of the world starts punishing the US and its allies economically.
I doubt that. It's far more likely to backfire into increased support for aggressive right-wing populism of the kind Trump peddles. It also seems doubtful that Europe could really afford that economically at the time when it's already in an open confrontation with Russia and not exactly on friendly terms with China.
> does anyone see any other way to reign in the warmongers? What say you, Americans? You are, after all, the only effective mechanism by which your own war mongers can be brought to justice.
We do not have an effective mechanism for that. Even if our democracy were truly functional, people have voted for candidates who promised no more wars for >15 years now, and yet here we are. Meaningful reforms that would _perhaps_ enable this require constitutional amendments, which have such a high bar as to be unattainable in this political climate. I don't think the system can recover, but it still has a lot of capacity to do damage as it breaks down.
There is a groundswell of activity among the European populations to bring these conflicts to an end. It’s there, but you won’t see it in the nightly news, you have to actually get out there and talk to people.
I just completed a tour of Italy, through 9 cities, and everywhere I discussed these issues I found that people are just sick and tired of the US’ (and Israels) bullshit, and they want to start divesting from these nations activities. This may not be visible for a few more months or even years, but I do believe there will be political ramifications on the horizon that might give us a bit of hope.
Note, I live in middle Europe, and this is a sentiment shared here as well…
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More rogue than ignoring the results of a presidential election?
If this results in Maduro leaving office with a small number of mostly military deaths, followed by the swift return of Venezuelan democracy, I would concede that the hawks made a good call this time. It is extraordinarily uncommon for US regime change wars to go that way and I don’t think this is going to be the exception.
(E: Honesty compels me to come back and say that it is looking somewhat likely I was wrong and will have to concede to the hawks.)
Invading a country is worse than having a constitutional crisis yes.
So people should live under prima facie illegitimate governments forever with no recourse?
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