Comment by raverbashing
4 days ago
Maduro is a coward and has no military power
People here saying it's "unjustified" should go and talk to a displaced Venezuelan.
4 days ago
Maduro is a coward and has no military power
People here saying it's "unjustified" should go and talk to a displaced Venezuelan.
It might be welcome by the majority of Venezuelans (nor not, depending what’s next) but it is not justified in a US domestic sense or indeed by international law
Why talk only to displaced Venezuelans though? If you want meaningful data, your sample shouldn't be biased. What is the overall proportion of Venezuelans supporting this action?
The vast majority of Venezuelans voted for his opponent in the last election, which is widely considered to have been stolen by Venezuelans and the international community: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Venezuelan_presidential_e...
There have been widespread protests in Venezuela throughout Maduro’s regime, but especially after the election.
The question isn't how many Venezuelans oppose Maduro, but rather how many Venezuelans wanted US to invade their country to oust him.
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Your attempts to sounding smart only betray a profound ignorance of the current state of things in Venezuela
I keep seeing this argument in here, but no one seems to point at any actual Venezuelans or message boards or whatever to support the point. Personally I only know a couple, classmates from decades ago who are FB friends and while they don’t support Maduro IIRC, I also don’t see any posts celebrating this great victory for the people. Who knows, maybe they’re partied out.
Maduro is a piece of shit.
But a military invasion of another country to commit regime change is literally what Russia tried to do to Ukraine.
America has blood on it's hands yet again.
EDIT: If the reports are true that Maduro has been captured and the fighting stops, then that's the best resolution one could hope out of this horrible situation. I pray for the Venezuelan people.
Right, and that's what the Allies did in Germany in 1945. I don't think it's helpful to paint everything with such a broad brush.
Russia is trying to annex Ukraine. They took part of it in 2014, then came back for more, and then organized sham annexation referendums in the regions they did control. Whatever the US is trying to achieve in Venezuela, it's probably not that. All war is deplorable, but some lead to good outcomes and some to bad ones.
> Russia is trying to annex Ukraine
And to start with they were trying to achieve this through regime change via a "surgical" (by their standards) strike on the government and capital.
That failed.
America is doing this explicitly to take control of Venezuela's resources. It's no different.
> Whatever the US is trying to achieve in Venezuela, it's probably not that
Presumably we're only trying to annex their oil reserves
Going to change your tune now that Trump has said that the US will run Venezuela? They’re not even pretending. This is far far more similar than it is different.
No, what Russia has tried to do to Ukraine is annex it as part of Russia. Not nearly the same, even if both are reprehensible.
The critical reaction is from the people on the Venezuelan street tomorrow.
I'm old enough to remember people in Iraq cheering for the fall of Saddam. Didn't make it great.
I’m naively hopeful that they will band together without more bloodshed. I worry though
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Some regimes deserved to be changed (and of course there are second order consequences)
I know some sheltered academics on Epstein's list disagree with that but that's a hill I will die on
Chomsky's argument was never that "no regime deserves to be changed", so maybe academic skills come in useful when comprehending arguments, books, and hills.