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Comment by blfr

5 days ago

Sounds like Russian leadership should have known they're not a match for Americans. A costly misjudgement.

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  • What do you mean? Do you think that Ukrainian natonalists started the war and not Russia (or to reply in your tone - fans of Stalin)?

    • >What do you mean? Do you think that Ukrainian natonalists started the war

      You could start by watching Bush Sr.'s speech in Kiev in 1991: "Americans will not support those who seek independence in order to replace a far-off tyranny with a local despotism. They will not aid those who promote a suicidal nationalism based upon ethnic hatred".[0]

      Americans later did support them, of course. [1]

      Fast forward to 2014:

      "The night before the clashes, Right Sector called on all of its members to ready themselves for a "peace offensive" on 18 February. <...> That morning, around 20,000 demonstrators marched on the parliament building as that body was set to consider opposition demands for a new constitution and government. Around 09:45, the demonstrators broke through the police barricade of several personnel-transport trucks near the building of the Central Officers' Club of Ukraine and pushed the cordon of police aside. The clashes started after some two dozen demonstrators moved a police vehicle blocking their path to parliament." [2]

      Right Sector is "the right-wing, paramilitary confederation of several ultranationalist organizations" [3]

      After overthrowing pro-Ukrainian president who was predominantly supported by the Eastern Ukraine, pro-Western Ukrainian nationalistic "government" started what they cynically called Anti-Terrorist Operation in the Eastern Ukraine

      [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkjxf76xRTw

      [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-meets-oleh-tyahn...

      [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#Protest_...

      [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector

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    • >or to reply in your tone - fans of Stalin

      You won't find any avenues in Russia named after Stalin. They were renamed after 1953 condemnation of Stalin's "cult of personality". Post-2014 regime in the Ukraine has renamed scores of streets after Ukrainian nationalists who collaborated with Nazis. The most cynical was the renaming of major avenue in Kiev leading to Babiy Yar (the place where thousands of Jews were massacred) to honor Bandera and the renaming of the avenue that used to honor Nikolai Vatutin[0], Soviet general who fought Nazis on the territory of Ukraine, after after Shukhevych[1], another Nazi collaborator and mass murderer.

      You can easily find the names of these despicable people in Google Maps on the maps of Kiev and many other Ukrainian cities.

      [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Vatutin

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Shukhevych

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