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Comment by oefrha

3 days ago

Except they didn’t even bother to manufacture consent this time? Or did a very lousy job of it.

Watching BBC news earlier, two interviewees were acolytes of Venuzuelan politician and exile Maria Corina Machado, who recently received the Nobel Peace Prize, and Juan Guaidó, the former American-backed coup (or whatever you want to call it) leader. They were adamantly pro-Maduro getting helicoptered away, but somewhat neutral on bombings on their own capital city. I think the consent factory is still making porkie pies.

Yeah it’s surprising how little justification there’s been for this. As a well-read US citizen, I don’t actually know why we did this.

Was it for oil? Socialism bad? To stop drugs? I think you latter is the narrative I’m most familiar with.

Immigration would be the most logical, since this administration and political base care a lot about that, but I don’t think they’ve drawn a clear line between economic success and emigration. Logic isn’t exactly a cornerstone for these idiots.

I’m guessing we did it to flex and distract from our own economy, but usually there is at least some pushed narrative for why America did the thing?

  • Geopolitically the US has abandoned world hegemony and is consolidating in the western hemisphere.

    Venezuela has massive oil reserves and its leadership has been anti-Zionist since Chavez.

    It’s a juicy target close to home, been a thorn for decades, and not as prickly as Iran or Yemen.

    But you’re right, it’s noteworthy they are not attempting to sell interventionism to the public anymore. 15 years ago they’d have staged a color revolution and gone with the populist uprising narrative. They seem to have dropped the narcoterrorist narrative already. The use of raw force without moral justification is a sign of decline. The Twitter right is trying to sell this as an imperial / Nietzschean triumph but few are going to buy it.

  • I think it’s just realpolitik grand chessboard strategy. Knocking out an unfriendly/uncooperative leader of a strategically important country. That’s always been the real justification for US foreign policy. It’s a game of risk, without moral considerations beyond optics. There isn’t much more to it than that.

    You can be socialist if you cooperate. You can be a dictator if you cooperate. It’s not about political philosophy or forms of government, just playing ball with the hegemon.

  • Given Rubio's role, "communism bad" seems the most coherent explanation. He's been on this beat for a long time.

The media has been branding maduro a narco-terrorist for a while now. And trump has declared fentanyl a weapon of mass destruction and exclusively blamed venezuela for it. The establishment has a playbook and they stick to it. Let's not forget the nobel committee gave a "peace prize" to a woman advocating for war against venezuela.

> Or did a very lousy job of it.

It's more obvious than lousy.

Venezuela has been linked to the fentanyl crisis. "The Trump administration has described strikes on vessels in the Caribbean and eastern Pacific as attacks against terrorists attempting to bring fentanyl and cocaine to the US.

However, fentanyl is produced mainly in Mexico and reaches the US almost exclusively via land through its southern border."

  • The 'wars on drugs' and the 'war on terror' have been abused many times in the past to just do whatever person 'x' wanted to do anyway. See also: National security.