Comment by 4gotunameagain
5 days ago
I am against China attacking Taiwan, I am against Russia attacking Ukraine, but I am also against Ukraine wanting to join NATO. The war started because of NATO and the US, and it almost fucked us over here in Germany when the US helped the Ukrainians blow up Nord Stream.
I am against any offensive action which leads to the misery and impoverishment of people, for some stupid power games of power hungry idiots.
I am sorry, you are blaming the United States for Russia invading Ukraine? Because Ukraine wanted to join a defensive alliance to protect themselves from a country that invaded them in 2014 and tried to keep their puppet in power before Maidan punted him?
Hilarious.
Do you think it is realistic that a (relatively) small country next to a superpower seeks protection from the rival superpower ?
What would happen if panama wanted to join a defence pact with Russia ?
What happened during the Cuban missile crisis ?
I wish all countries could be independent and free of meddling from superpowers. But at some moment you have to be realistic.
> Do you think it is realistic that a (relatively) small country next to a superpower seeks protection from the rival superpower ?
Like the Baltics, Poland, Taiwan, South Korea, Berlin, ... Yeah seems pretty realistic.
> What would happen if panama wanted to join a defence pact with Russia ?
Russia or a defensive alliance that includes countries like Germany and France?
> What happened during the Cuban missile crisis ?
A bunch of cold war nonsense? Russia tried to station first strike weapons and the US responded poorly.
> I wish all countries could be independent and free of meddling from superpowers. But at some moment you have to be realistic.
Lmao and that is why you conclude that Ukraine should not be permitted to seek a defensive ally after being invaded (2014).
> The war started because of NATO and the US
"Bro please just look at the expansion map. I swear bro the war started because of NATO and the US. It’s not an invasion bro it’s a forced reaction to unipolar hegemony. Just one more provocation and the bear had to bite back. Please bro just admit it's a proxy war. I promise bro if the West just stayed out of the sphere of influence everything would be fine."
Do you have anything of substance to add ?
This tribalism that you display is exactly the reason that we end up in situations that we have. Do not pledge tribal allegiance to anyone. Pledge allegiance to critical thinking.
> This tribalism
> The war started because of NATO and US
Hmm…