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Comment by moralestapia

5 days ago

"Events in the present determine events in the future".

Very deep observation.

Maduro had to be removed, this is a win for Venezuela. On one side he's a criminal, on the other side people at the country are cheering for this [1].

He didn't even win the most recent election. I'll write that again, he was not elected.

I haven't seen a convincing argument about why it would have been better if he remained in power.

1: https://x.com/SofyCasas_/status/2007455810884886992

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jacquesm  5 days ago

People were asking for an example of such attitudes on HN, thank you for providing one.

All of the reasons you list apply to many world leaders, legitimately elected or not. You must be ecstatic about the pardon of Hernández then.

  • stickfigure  5 days ago

    > legitimately elected or not

    Let's just focus on the not-legitimately-elected ones. Venezuela was a functioning democracy until Maduro took control through force and fraud. Shed not one tear for him.

    • jacquesm  5 days ago

      I won't. That still doesn't mean this is over by a long shot. My bet is on the oil with a side dish of Epstein distraction. At least the latter seems to have worked. Wouldn't it be too bad if Venezuela actually gets to decide who they want to deal with regarding their oil and they pick France, the UK or China...

  • moralestapia  5 days ago

    >All of the reasons you list apply to many world leaders, legitimately elected or not.

    That's correct. One at a time, I'd say. :)

ks2048  5 days ago

"He shouldn't be in power" and "He should be kidnapped and removed by the US military (and his county bombed)" are two different arguments to make.

mempko  5 days ago

As Trump said, Venezuela was not pumping it's oil out of the ground at a high rate. Venezuela has the largest known oil reserves.

Trump is risking organized human life by helping accelerate global warming and ecological collapse.

This is not a good outcome for the world.

LunaSea  5 days ago

Could you redo this analysis and explain why China shouldn't fly into Florida and kidnap Trump?

After all most of the country wants him out, he's a felon and broke the law countless times since his election.

Seems like a win for the people of the US and America.

  • aipatselarom  5 days ago

    President Trump was elected democratically by the people of the US, by majority in both the electoral and popular vote.

    • goatlover  5 days ago

      Jack Smith also made the clear case to Congress last week that he has the evidence that Trump did try to overthrow the 2020 election and inspired the January 6th insurrection, so he should not have been eligible to run in 2024. He should have been in prison.

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    • LunaSea  5 days ago

      So? Because he was legitimately elected he can do whatever he wants with no consequences?

      Multiple lawsuits and inquiries on Trump were stopped when he became president.

  • sigwinch  5 days ago

    Plus, the stalemate on Taiwan right now is US strategic ambiguity. Maybe Trump “visiting” China to offer his strategic brilliance during their expansion will finally get him a bigger peace prize.

timeon  5 days ago

Good do Putin next then.

  • torcete  5 days ago

    I reckon this was an agreement between Putin and Trump. Ukraine for Venezuela. I can be wrong, of course.

wsatb  5 days ago

> I haven't seen a convincing argument about why it would have been better if he remained in power.

You're way off base here. No one is arguing that he should be in power. It's the way it was done. You're also ignoring a very important question: now what?

Sorry, but the last year has not inspired confidence that this administration knows what it's doing.