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Comment by dpark

4 days ago

> there is no invasion. Just a special ops kidnapping

When one nation’s military illegally enters another nation’s sovereign territory to carry out military actions, that’s usually called an invasion.

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somewhereoutth  4 days ago

Not really - an invasion implies holding ground, which isn't the case here.

  • dpark  4 days ago

    Ah, the time-honored tradition on the Internet of making up one’s own definition and confidently asserting that everyone who disagrees is wrong.

    Of course everyone knows it’s trivial for police to apprehend home invaders because invasion implies that they stay after they break in.

    • ethbr1  4 days ago

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion

      >> In geopolitics, an invasion typically refers to a military offensive in which a polity sends combatants, usually in large numbers, to forcefully enter the territory of another polity,[1] with either side possibly being supported by one or more allies. While strategic goals for an invasion can be numerous and complex in nature, the foremost tactical objective normally involves militarily occupying part or all of the invaded polity's territory. Today, if a polity conducts an invasion without having been attacked by their opponent beforehand, it is widely considered to constitute an international crime and condemned as an act of aggression.

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    • somewhereoutth  4 days ago

      Probably we can distinguish between military invasion, and the use (arguably miss use) of the word colloquially in the US for home intruders.

      Per the Cambridge Dictionary: "an occasion when an army or country uses force to enter and take control of another country"

      In our case no 'taking control' has occurred, so this is not an invasion.

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chasil  4 days ago

I would not agree. Intelligence operatives are often in place for long durations in hostile sovereign territory, and some were likely used in this event. Their presence is not an invasion.

Air operations also are not seen as invasions, and the recent stealth strikes by the U.S. in Iran are not seen this way.

It appears to me that armed troops in place that are taking and holding territory for a prolonged duration are the definition.

The dictionary definition below is "the incursion of an army for conquest or plunder."

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invasion

Is Maduro and his wife "plunder?" That would stretch this meaning, I think.

  • dpark  4 days ago

    > Is Maduro and his wife "plunder?" That would stretch this meaning, I think.

    Sure. But “We are going to run the country” sounds an awful lot like “conquest”.

    • chasil  4 days ago

      When a standing army is involved, then we will all agree that it is an invasion.

      If it comes by financial aid to the elected president and oil deals to rehabilitate PDVSA, then it is not.

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