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Comment by throwfaraway135

3 days ago

Depending on the crime, most people would agree that face/gait recognition is warranted, for example in case of murder or rape.

The difference here is that some people consider "illegal immigration" to be more like a misdemeanor, others consider it to be something much more serious.

> Depending on the crime, most people would agree that face/gait recognition is warranted, for example in case of murder or rape

That's the problem with dragnet surveillance. People are okay with it for extreme cases. And then the scope creeps.

Free or secure. You can't have both. And you usually can't even have just the latter.

  • > And then the scope creeps.

    Agreed and wanted to add. If it exists, can do the job, and the person in charge is aware of it, then it will inevitably be used. There's no such thing as "only for certain situations" unless there is a large inherent cost to using it outside of the proscribed scenario.

    If you mandate the placement of fireman's axes by every door, at some point someone is going to use one of them to commit murder or vandalism or some other crime. There is effectively nothing that can be done to prevent that other than choosing not to mandate their placement.

> others consider it to be something much more serious.

We have limited funds for social safety nets for our own citizens: how is it not "serious" that we would deplete them on folks who are willfully and intentionally breaking our rules for financial benefit?

  • My guy, stop with this false point. You're smarter than this.

    Deep down you know it's not true and it's not being used this way.

    Clean yourself and your soul.

    • What about it is false?

      - Illegal immigrants make the choice to come to the United States for financial enrichment: jobs, handouts. Are you disputing this?

      - The United States has a notoriously weak social safety net relative to other countries: this is not a disputed fact.

      - We do not have an unlimited amount of resources: sorry, this is reality, not socialist fantasyland.

      - Most US citizens do not cover their overall per capita government tax expenditures: illegals certainly don't.

      Illegal immigrants are absolutely a net-negative financial, quality-of-life drain on society at large.

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> " others consider "

laws are knowable. readable. Opinion on them does NOT matter.

  • We have a court system specifically meant to interpret the law, and a tiered appeals process for when one of the courtroom parties disagrees with that court’s interpretation.

    Quick, does the First Amendment allow the government to place any restrictions on speech? The words are right there for the reading and knowing, so that should be a simple question, surely?