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Comment by rithdmc

12 days ago

Unfortunately, it's not an uncommon thing to hear from people when performing community outreach (think door knocking). External push, definitely, but it's also being repeated by the demographic this narrative is being pushed to.

I can't comment on whether or not they believe it, but it's certainly repeated by some here in Ireland.

> but it's certainly repeated by some here in Ireland.

To be fair to Ireland and history they have a valid complaint going back centuries wrt outsiders taking their lands, language, governance, food and labour all while debating "the Irish Question" and reaching for eugenic "solutions".

  • > To be fair to Ireland and history they have a valid complaint going back centuries wrt outsiders taking their lands, language, governance, food and labour all while debating "the Irish Question" and reaching for eugenic "solutions".

    Odd then, that they didn't notice when this happened post GFC when basically all of the land banks and large assets were sold off to (predominantly) US based private equity funds.

    And honestly, Irish anti-immigration sentiment is far more driven by both our complete failures at building infrastructure for a growing population (which we've never had before) and the fact that all refugees are housed in poor areas (which already had much worse services).

    But it's very important that no residents of South Dublin should be inconvenienced, even at the cost of our society.

    • I more or less nodded along in general agreement save for

      > for a growing population (which we've never had before)

      and feel I might remind you that in the time span of my comment (past centuries) Irelands population nearly tripled in the 40 years following 1700 to a peak greater than the current population number.

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    • I wouldn't say anyone didn't notice "when basically all of the land banks and large assets were sold off", there was years of protest and reporting about this.

      > Irish anti-immigration sentiment is far more driven by both our complete failures at building infrastructure

      Yeah, I'd largely agree it's a services issue, and most people I speak with correctly direct that anger at the state.

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  • IMO there's a massive difference between what's happening today, with individuals claiming asylum, compared to the State level interference of our history.

  • You could make the same argument for Britain wrt the Normans.

    • Seems like a low bar given the entire span of Britain's history - Londinium was founded by Mediterraneans, Danelaw covered half the Big Island for a good period, the Anglo-Saxons were Germanic immigrants pushed back by the Norman wave . . .

      The UK is immigrant wave after wave all the way back to when it was nothing but solid ice pressing down the entire landmass and practically all the islands.

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