Comment by jacquesm
2 days ago
If you're looking for role models I would not recommend Steve Jobs.
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Even after Jobs started paying more attention to Brennan-Jobs, her mother, Chrisann Brennan, apparently felt uncomfortable leaving him with her alone after an incident in which he questioned and teased the then-9-year-old Brennan-Jobs about her sexual attractions and proclivities.
When Brennan went to live with him as a teen, he forbade her from seeing her mother for 6 months. After moving in with them, Brennan told her stepmother, Laurene Powell-Jobs, that she felt lonely and asked that they tell her goodnight in the evenings... Powell-Jobs responded, "We're cold people."
Once, as Jobs groped his wife and pretended to be having sex with her, he demanded that Brennan stay in the room, calling it a "family moment." He repeatedly withheld money from her, told her that she would get "nothing" from his wealth — and even refused to install heat in her bedroom.
When she started to become active in her high school, Jobs got on Brennan for not spending more time with the family, telling her, "This isn't working out. You're not succeeding as a member of this family."
At one point, neighbors of the family were so worried about Brennan that they helped her move into their house. They also helped her pay for college."""
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/memoir-steve-jobs-apos-daught...
Yes. Believe it or not, most people are not all star human beings in all facets of their lives. We can certainly still learn from them, instead of casually dismissing them when we find an instance that they don't live up to our pedestal.
I think this goes beyond 'an instance'.
> Yes. Believe it or not, most people are not all star human beings in all facets of their lives.
The above is not just normal faults of the magnitude we all have, instead they're pretty strong indications that jobs was a terrible person. He was probably a narcissist.
> We can certainly still learn from them, instead of casually dismissing them when we find an instance that they don't live up to our pedestal.
There are different kinds of "learning from people," I'd recommend not "learning from" Jobs like he's a guru to be admired, but that's what a lot of people do.
We should admire and learn from good people, and the lesson to learn from Jobs is terrible people can be successful, and not to confuse success for goodness.
Amazing. Nearly all rich business owners are the same: too much dopamine and leaks of sociopathy.
That's why they win.
What blows me away is how many people still put Jobs on a pedestal. There are countless anecdotes - well documented ones - of him shafting just about everybody around him, including his co-founder, who - graciously - decided to let it slide.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone put Jobs on a pedestal for being kind, generous, or morally upright. People admire him for his business acumen and technology vision.
We can admire people in some areas while also acknowledging their tremendous faults in other areas.
Very, very few win. Keep in mind that most narcissists and sociopaths are losers.