Dawg, you buy meat at the grocery store. you aren't an apex predator out here running down water buffaloes and dik-diks on the savannas of Africa with spear in-hand.
agree with the people that say you are moving the goal posts, but to answer this question anyway...
As someone who lifted for a good handful of years, there are a few reasons i used protein powder, it was a very affordable way to add 25-50g of protein and some random fruits or peanut butter or whatever(i'd usually blend up a shake).
It was also a good way as someone who struggles to eat a surplus, to hit my goals as it just went down way easier than an additional full meal.
It is ALSO easier to cut weight and maintain protein goals by utilizing simply water and protein powder.
when it came time for me to cut, im simply swapping milk for water, and removing the peanut butter, and suddenly that "meal" is ~400 calories less.
So the very simple answer? convenience/affordability.
I use intermittent fasting, 18+ hours fasting between meals. It is convenient, it is affordable, it gives me ketones to squat 140kg for twenty (20) reps being 54 years old without, literally, breaking a sweat, and, before all, raises blood concentration of brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF).
Fat's thermal food effect is 3% of fat's energy, while sugar and amino acids have 8 to 10 times more of their energy converted to heat (25% and 30%). That thermal effect raises the body temperature and makes body to sweat.
Ketogenic diet also allow for fat burn through the year, not at the cut stage only. I once managed to burn fat and bulk at the same time, burning 2 kg of fat and adding 4.5 kg of lean mass in three months, just by switching to intermittent fasting and hypertrophy-specific training. Without PEDs - they interfere with thinking.
Hello, very similar story here. Been weight training for 30 years and focusing on natural body building for the past 5 years.
I struggled a lot with my nutrition and eating "regular food" always mad me fat. I tried various keto and low carb variants but never made it work and always hit a wall after 2-3 weeks. UNTIL I discovered intermittent fasting. After having done the intermittent fasting for about 5 years I started another low carb/keto journey but this time I went all in on fat and protein. No holding back. And I also cut excessive vegetables (especially the raw stuff). So now I'm eating all the eggs, meat, butter, bacon as much as I want. About a year in. The results so far.. dropped 4kg body fat and put on 2kg of muscle.
> I used to drink protein shakes, but now I am actively against these. Artificial sweeteners provoke insulin release [1] [2] that leads to type-II diabetes.
makes it read , structurally, like the artificial sweetener is the reasoning behind why you're against protein shakes.
Call it what you want , but to an outsider reading in it looks like you're later moving the goal posts from 'artificial sweetener is bad' to 'unnatural diets are bad' later in the dialogue.
What most people would have done , if their opinion was that unnatural diets were bad, would be to say that rather than a specific subset of that unnatural diet (artificial sweetener).
With that explained as such can you see why some might think of it as goal-post moving ? If not, why?
Bears are a terrible example to pick, as they aren't real “predators” in the first place. They are omnivorous, eating more fruits, roots and insects than meat, by far. Depending on their species and where they live they may eat fishes as well, but not that much meat at all.
And of course as omnivorous ourselves, we eat far less meat than actual predators like wolves and felines.
I, okay? Next time don't make it sound like the reason you dislike protein shakes is sweeteners!
Why did you drink them before, if you appear to fundamentally object to the idea?
I did not know better that's why I drink them.
Now I know better and I don't.
"know better" in what way, that applies to sweetener-free protein?
You must have always known humans were apex predators, and that was the only non-sweetener reason you listed.
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> Why should I, as a top predator, ...
I can't imagine anyone actually saying this with a straight face (also I am totally using this line for everything now). What a way to view oneself!
Dawg, you buy meat at the grocery store. you aren't an apex predator out here running down water buffaloes and dik-diks on the savannas of Africa with spear in-hand.
our genetics haven't had the time to figure that out, yet.
that's parents' point ( I think ? )
agree with the people that say you are moving the goal posts, but to answer this question anyway...
As someone who lifted for a good handful of years, there are a few reasons i used protein powder, it was a very affordable way to add 25-50g of protein and some random fruits or peanut butter or whatever(i'd usually blend up a shake).
It was also a good way as someone who struggles to eat a surplus, to hit my goals as it just went down way easier than an additional full meal.
It is ALSO easier to cut weight and maintain protein goals by utilizing simply water and protein powder.
when it came time for me to cut, im simply swapping milk for water, and removing the peanut butter, and suddenly that "meal" is ~400 calories less.
So the very simple answer? convenience/affordability.
I use intermittent fasting, 18+ hours fasting between meals. It is convenient, it is affordable, it gives me ketones to squat 140kg for twenty (20) reps being 54 years old without, literally, breaking a sweat, and, before all, raises blood concentration of brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF).
Fat's thermal food effect is 3% of fat's energy, while sugar and amino acids have 8 to 10 times more of their energy converted to heat (25% and 30%). That thermal effect raises the body temperature and makes body to sweat.
Ketogenic diet also allow for fat burn through the year, not at the cut stage only. I once managed to burn fat and bulk at the same time, burning 2 kg of fat and adding 4.5 kg of lean mass in three months, just by switching to intermittent fasting and hypertrophy-specific training. Without PEDs - they interfere with thinking.
Hello, very similar story here. Been weight training for 30 years and focusing on natural body building for the past 5 years.
I struggled a lot with my nutrition and eating "regular food" always mad me fat. I tried various keto and low carb variants but never made it work and always hit a wall after 2-3 weeks. UNTIL I discovered intermittent fasting. After having done the intermittent fasting for about 5 years I started another low carb/keto journey but this time I went all in on fat and protein. No holding back. And I also cut excessive vegetables (especially the raw stuff). So now I'm eating all the eggs, meat, butter, bacon as much as I want. About a year in. The results so far.. dropped 4kg body fat and put on 2kg of muscle.
>It was also a good way as someone who struggles to eat a surplus, to hit my goals as it just went down way easier than an additional full meal.
Which is hilarious since current bro-science is that protein is the most filling macronutrient.
Actually humans are most similar to chimpanzees and bonobos, which eat meat but very little and mostly eat fruits, nuts and seeds.
Chimpanzees have greater gut to support their longer intestines, which they need to digest fibrous food.
One has to be very careful when drawing parallelisms from the animal kingdom.
Lions challenge the dominant male, and if they win, they kill all of their offspring and take all of their females.
Hopefully you are not doing that with every male you encounter that happens to be physically weaker than you.
You should acknowledge when you shift the goal posts.
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OK. Well, the way you wrote this sentence :
> I used to drink protein shakes, but now I am actively against these. Artificial sweeteners provoke insulin release [1] [2] that leads to type-II diabetes.
makes it read , structurally, like the artificial sweetener is the reasoning behind why you're against protein shakes.
Call it what you want , but to an outsider reading in it looks like you're later moving the goal posts from 'artificial sweetener is bad' to 'unnatural diets are bad' later in the dialogue.
What most people would have done , if their opinion was that unnatural diets were bad, would be to say that rather than a specific subset of that unnatural diet (artificial sweetener).
With that explained as such can you see why some might think of it as goal-post moving ? If not, why?
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> Lions can't eat ducks or chickens. We can and do.
As in they can't catch them? Or they can't survive on a diet of them? I'd be surprised if it was the latter.
The cannot catch them so they are not adapted to them.
Our cat does not eat lamb as he is not adapted to lamb, but he does eat a lot of duck purring to the skies.
Do you have a source for lions not being able to subsist on a diet of poultry?
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When was the last time you caught a duck?
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> including other predators like bears
Bears are a terrible example to pick, as they aren't real “predators” in the first place. They are omnivorous, eating more fruits, roots and insects than meat, by far. Depending on their species and where they live they may eat fishes as well, but not that much meat at all.
And of course as omnivorous ourselves, we eat far less meat than actual predators like wolves and felines.